To think these ads are offensive to all women and should be banned by a minority of them?

[Vittoria]

msmagazine.com/spring2009/nocomment.asp

I think the first one is quite funny actually. And probably very true. Just because men like to think about casual sex more than women think about romance, I'm not offended!

The secoind one I imagine is offensive to some conservatives per se, but when are they known for reading rolling stone magazine? And soince when does one person getting personally offended by an ad in a mag they never read have the right to dictate what the rest of us see?

I am not sure really

I suppose it is possibly about implied choice, I see a woman happy with lots of men I see her somewhat empowered (in a very sexual way and using the term loosly of course) but seeing lots of women with a man and they seem degraded...

Like I said it makes no sense really.

I find the first one more sexist than the second.

But the girls could all be bi and having a whale of a time

I know.. Like I sadi it makes no sense really and probably says more about my thought processes than about anything else.

I think I see groups of girls with a man as being about the man but groups of men with a woman as being about both of them...

I am not sure though, this is the first time I have examined these ideas in any detail
I will probably come back and contradict myself in a minute!

king I'd advise you go away and read about it , but don't let anyone catch you!

i cant see the first one.

nowt wrong with them!
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TBH I am not sure, I don't find that porn in the day to day actually impacts me or my children and I am a little bit unconvinced that it is that big a deal. For instance, picture 2? I really do not see what the big deal is! I know I will be flamed for my view but hey, I am prepared to be convinced but I have not come across it really - perhaps my family and I are in too much of a bubble?

i think when / if your daughters start to meet attitudes that arise from porn you may change your mind?

Maybe F&Z, I am just not convinced that there is such a thing really.. What would you say is an attitude that has arisen from porn? Why would you say that attitude is specifically because of porn?

(I am genuinely asking btw)

Young kids? I thought they looked into their 20s or their abouts?

It's hard to see who's male and who's female so it just like sex used to sell... it would put me off a product, but I don't see the gang rape connection as the woman doesn't look submissive.

Hmm, maybe late teens then (having looked again)

Brooke Shields was a long time ago.

gang rape was mentioned further up the thread Kerry.

i think so many attitudes have come from porn into mainstream culture that it is hard to dissect them
porn objectifies women - well, it objectifies people altogether
it makes degradation, violence, suffering and coercion sexy
it disempowers women on many levels
it encourages unrealistic and damaging expectations about what normal bodies look like and about what sexual relationships are like
human relationships and sexuality can be so inspiring and extraordinary
on the whole porn is really not

Hmm, I am still not concinced F&Z. I am not trying to be obtuse here, I just have not come across the attitudes you seem to be talking about, except maybe in some soaps, but people don't actually live like that do they? Well, no-one I know does - to the best of my knowledge anyway

What's wrong with open legs in jeans Kerry? That is your imagination going into overdrive there.

And what's wron with objectification? Lynne Segal - emminent 2nd wave feninist that she is - has herself said the carping over objectification was based on ignorance of what sex is. All sex - especially the best sex - is about sexual objectification.

And for people who think it's only hetro porn that 'degrades' women - they should look at gay porn and how men degrade each other even more in htat!