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To find this smell offensive?

247 replies

GreenMonkies · 18/04/2009 13:37

We live in a maisonette which shares a communal garden with about 5 other households, mainly elderly folks. We are an "Ecover" household, we don't use "mainstream" cleaning products or air-fresheners.

I am sitting in the garden whilst the DD's play on thier bikes etc, and two of my neighbours have hung washing out, and the stench of Lenor/Comfort/whatever is all but making me gag, I am seriously thinking of going inside the smell is so strong. Bleurgh!!!!!

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MrsMerryHenry · 18/04/2009 21:29

Noonki - I agree about the poo/ air freshener thing. There was a prog on R4 some years ago saying it's basically slow-release poisoning (very slow release, mind). Yum.

For this reason I would never live in a place with a bathroom that had no window.

dorisbonkers · 18/04/2009 23:57

Greenmonkies' post has made me scared to come back to the UK.

Is it as full of smug milksops as these threads sometimes show?

Salme101 · 19/04/2009 00:43

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tigerdriver · 19/04/2009 00:55

we are an Ecover household too - but only when any lentil munching mates are coming over .

Smelly fabric softener is yuk, I think. But really, staying inside on a sunny day in case you smell the neighbours washing. Come off it. you are bonkers.

MollieO · 19/04/2009 01:00

If you are really ethical aren't you supposed to spurn all washing stuff and use those washing balls instead?

The worst smells in this household come from 4 yr old ds and I'm not sure combining him with a box of matches is the best idea!

sayithowitis · 19/04/2009 01:11

I love the blue Lenor inspirations. Don't use ironing water or febreze, but I have loads of 'yankee candles' clean cotton fragranced candles around the house. Lovely!

echt · 19/04/2009 04:42

When I was child, the clothes airer was one of those wooden jobbies you lower from the ceiling. Remarkably ours was over the oven, but there you go.

I used to love the way the sheets smelled of chips, but never associated it with the oven/airer connection. The memory went away, as they do, and it was only last week that something happened to access the old hard disk memory and I put two and two together.

A gap of about 40 years I might add.

chefswife · 19/04/2009 05:25

i find it funny that there are people that are ignorant enough to think it smug of someone who to say they use environmentally friendly products. the OP was simply stating something that is quite obvious to those of us who are concerned about what we flush down our drains and into our water and that is chemical cleaners smell repugnant. simple. and if you use eco-ver laundry detergent, you'll find you won't need no stinking fabric softener. so you save the environment and your pocket book.

nooka · 19/04/2009 05:59

It was a sadly smug OP, but from what Greenmonkies said later, I suspect it was at least partly meant to be.

I was brought up with very plan washing stuff (some bulk powder or other) and when I first met dh and he started doing my washing (he is slightly odd that way) it took me a while to get used to the smell. I still think Bounce is horrible. However visiting his dad is much worse, as they have those plug in things all over the place, and don't really open windows. I find it very hard to sleep there unless I can find all the plug ins, bowls of potpourri etc, put them in a tightly sealed drawer and open the window (door closed naturally, I don't want FIL to get cold) for a few hours before bed. I know I have a fairly sensitive sense of smell, but really if you want your house to smell nice, keep it clean, open the windows (unless you live near a fish factor of course), grow flowers, or use candles (but with natural scents -obviously artificial smell are as bad from a candle as from an aerosol). Oh and never let a smoker in until at least 10 mins after the last fag (dh smokes )

thirtypence · 19/04/2009 06:28

I'm with you - it does stink. My mum dislikes doing her washing here because "it doesn't smell clean".

Just satisfy yourself that as you get older you will probably have to use Blue Lenor to cover your leaky wee smell.

dorisbonkers · 19/04/2009 06:42

Does Ecover come in different fragrances?

'Odour of sanctimony"? "Whiff of tokenism"?

Besides, any fule know that only mainstream households use a washing machine?

I think this is the most pathetic post I've ever come across in my whole Internet career.

StealthPolarBear · 19/04/2009 08:23

expat, you really use evian in your iron? Is that to do with limescale?

GreenMonkies · 19/04/2009 09:24

I was being only slightly serious when I posted the original message, I detest artificially stinky fabric softeners and air fresheners, but essentially choose not to use them and leave others to each thier own. The only serious point in my OP was that the smells were so strong they were even fragrencing the whole garden, even though it was a breezey day.

But some of these responses have made me think about this issue even more, and as a result I have been googling;

Behind the label: Comfort Fabric Softener
Pat Thomas 12/02/2009

Soft towels, fluffy fleeces and synthetic fabrics don?t cling. What?s not to like? Well, try skin irritation, increased flammability and environmental pollution, for starters. It seems the average bottle of fabric softener has a dark side.

INGREDIENTS:
5% cationic surfactants, perfume, butylphenyl methylpropional, hexyl cinnamal, alpha-isomethyl ionone, benzisothiazolinone, sorbic acid, benzoic acis, benzyl alcohol

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By all accounts we love our fabric softeners. In the US, consumers spend around $700 million a year keeping their fabrics soft. In the UK we spend £200 million a year on them and Comfort, produced by multinational giant Unilever, claims a massive 50 percent share of the market.

The problem is that fabric softeners can be harmful to both the people who use them and the marine life that ends up swimming in them.

Most fabric softeners are emulsions of water and cationic surfactants, which can cause skin irritation. As the law stands, consumers can never know which surfactant is used because manufacturers are not required to list this. The ingredient label on a bottle of Comfort is particularly galling for what it doesn?t say, since it begins with the words, ?Comfort contains amongst other ingredients?, and then goes on to list the tiny handful of chemicals that must be listed. But what about the ones that don?t make it on the label?

Fabric softening surfactants can be derived from animals, plants or minerals, as in the case of newer, silicone-based formulations. There is little difference between the chemicals used in fabric softeners and those used in hair conditioners. Whatever they are based on, all fabric softeners work in pretty much the same way, by depositing these surfactants onto the fabric to make it feel softer, reduce static cling, and impart a fresh fragrance.

Liquid formulations added to washing machines during the rinse cycle are by far the most popular choice, though you can also buy fabric-softening sheets for use in the dryer. The latter releases a special resin that deposits a waxy coating on the clothes to make them feel softer.

Because the mechanics of fabric softening don?t vary from brand to brand, manufacturers have turned to perfume to distinguish their products from one another- indeed, many believe fragrance is a key factor in increasing sales. These products are often marketed as luxury items, in much the same way as health and beauty products, which customers are encouraged to purchase in a range of scents to suit all moods. Indeed, Comfort has just launched a new luxury range of fabric ?conditioners?- Comfort Crème- which come in sleeker bottles and cost nearly three times as much as an ordinary bottle of Comfort.

Special fixatives in the mix of both standard and luxury conditioners mean that the fragrance can last for days, permeating wardrobes and drawers. The regular off-gassing of perfume chemicals from fabric softeners can be a significant trigger for asthma and other breathing problems. In the US, chemically sensitive individuals complain that, even after several washes, they cannot get the smell of fabric softeners out of their washing machines and dryers.

Studies have also shown that liquid fabric softeners can make fabrics more flammable. The surfactants used in the fabric softeners stick to the fibres, separating them from each other in a process not unlike the way the positive end of one magnet repels the negative end of another. Especially vulnerable to fire are fabrics that have a fuzzy surface such as terry cloth, fleece or flannel, particularly if they are made of cotton. This is because the total surface area is much greater than that of flat, woven fabrics. Combustion requires contact with oxygen, and the super fuzzy surfaces enhanced by fabric softeners provide a more oxygen-rich surface environment that further increases their flammability.

If you are a fabric softener addict there are now a number of companies that provide alternative and ?green? fabric softeners. But, essentially, these are unnecessary products that can trigger health problems and can interfere with the functional aspect of some textiles. For instance, when used on towels and nappies some fabric softeners can reduce absorbency, which is why it?s generally recommended that reusable nappies aren?t washed with them. Once they are washed down the drain they can become highly toxic to aquatic life. Given this, maybe it?s worth asking yourself whether the time has come to break the fabric softener habit completely.

Why not have a look and see what you are coating your skin and polluting the water courses with in your daily cleansing and fragrancing routine. I love to read what's in lovely yummy Johnsons Baby Shite and the carcinogens and free radical producers in beauty products and fake tanning lotions are especially amusing. Enjoy!!!!!

I'm not a lentil weaving vegan hippy, but I dotry to live as cleanly as possible. I am not perfect, I have coloured hair and I wear nail varnish and make up sometimes, but I make an effort, if that makes me smug then ok, guilty as charged. Smug Smug Smug Smug Smug. Thats me!!!!

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lljkk · 19/04/2009 10:27

I sympathise with you OP, if you just wanted to vent. I use cloth nappies and DS nursery used to insist on putting the wet ones in nappy sacks (I would have been happy to supply an endless supply of carrier bags, but they insisted on nappy sacks.)

The smell of them makes me want to gag -- one time I opened one and the waft of perfume made me have a lengthly coughing fit.

We get lots of 2nd hand clothes and it never ceases to amaze me how much the clothes reek smell of whatever detergent or fabric conditioner the giver used. However, I wouldn't complain about it .

Once I went to a soft play area and the toilets reeked of disinfectant. A little boy kept asking his mum what that horrible smell was and she kept trying to convince the lad that it was really a 'nice' smell because it meant the place was clean (No, it doesn't mean it's clean at all, I felt like correcting her and patting the sensible lad on the head).

ComeOVeneer · 19/04/2009 10:27

Greenmonkies, that last post of yours is infinitely more sensible and also thought provoking. I don't think anyone can doubt the issues surrounding chemicals and the environment.

However your first post was badly worded are really came over as smug and with an air if supreiority

ComeOVeneer · 19/04/2009 10:27

lljkk you ca get plenty of fragrance free nappy sacks.

GreenMonkies · 19/04/2009 11:06

ComeOVeneer, I take both the compliment and the critisism, thank you.

Lljkk, I gave nursery a "wet bag" to put DD's wet nappies in, have you tried that?

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TheDevilEatsNestle · 19/04/2009 11:15

I am always in awe of expats laundry skills.

I have trouble seperating whites ffs.

StealthPolarBear · 19/04/2009 11:28

Can someone tell me what soap nuts are? If they're just blocks of soap, does that not make them detergent in another guise? Why are they better than powder / tablets / whatever?

expatinscotland · 19/04/2009 11:30

Yes, I really do use Evian in the iron. Just drop in a few drops of lavender oil and it smells fab.

For woolens I use:
this

LauriefairycakeeatsCupid · 19/04/2009 11:30

soap nuts are a natural husk of a tree - look like little pods. They are not soap.

www.lakeland.co.uk

expatinscotland · 19/04/2009 11:32

soapnuts

Good for peole with excema and cheaper than Surecare if you buy a whole kilo.

I cook them down, too, to use for cleaning. just add some lemongrass oil.

Gunnerbean · 19/04/2009 11:33

What's the point of a fragrance-free nappy sack? - I thought they were fragranced to mask the smell of shit.

Why not just stick them in a used carrier bag if you want to dispose of them in a bag that doesn't smell?

Gunnerbean · 19/04/2009 11:42

"We get lots of 2nd hand clothes and it never ceases to amaze me how much the clothes reek smell of whatever detergent or fabric conditioner the giver used. However, I wouldn't complain about it."

No not to their faces anyway because if you did you know they probably wouldn't give you any more, but you're happy to moan away about it here here aren't you? How rude.

Why not make your own clothes in future (all natural fibres of course)? You could grow cotton to make them, or keep sheep for wool. That way you could guarnteee that they don't smell of anything that "makes you gag" or precipitates a "lengthy coughing fit".

Some may consider that your ideas/priciples are all very laudable but have you any idea how pompous and smug you sound in your posts?

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