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to want to break with DD's mother via letter?

73 replies

CalanthiasDad · 16/04/2009 20:49

where to start?

DD is with me.

her mum is currently 50+ miles away working in her ex-H's takeaway.

She went on sunday, after we / my dad and her, decided to try again.

tbh, i can't see the point. the more I think due to the bit of breathing space i have, the more i realise what an abusive relationship it is.

and i can't allow that to be done to or seen by DD - albeit that she'll get fallout whatever happens, at least i can minimise as much damage as possible by providing stability for her.

sure, i might have problems providing the "chineseness", but i pretty sure my DD'll accept i had to forego that to get stability and minimal stress.

anyway, i'm just looking for ideas about how to end this as well as it might possibly be ended...

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ItsMargotBeaurEGGarde · 16/04/2009 21:48

Ps, I ended a relationship with a verbally and physically abusive man and it wasn't easy. It took about 2 yrs to end it really. I kept telling him it was over and he said no it's not.

So if you REALLY have been through emotional abuse I can understand your need to finish things without a scene.

I tried (and failed) to just leave with the clothes on our backs but was 'intercepted' and assualted...

ONE thing you say though, makes me just ... not doubt you exactly but it doesn't sound like she has the control. You held her child's passport in your desk. YOU have control of your child's domicility. That's a serious piece of power you have there.
You sound more in control than you think you are.... WHy did your child's mother go to China for 9 wks?? Work? visiting family? Did she beg you to take her child and you said no? Did you say no because you thought they wouldn't return?

SerendipitousHarlot · 16/04/2009 21:48

You will have to grow a pair, I'm afraid.

It's vile to have to have The Talk, but it has to be face to face. Do you not think you owe her that after having a child with her?

ItsMargotBeaurEGGarde · 16/04/2009 21:49

I hope that your dd's real name isn't Calanthia!! Anybody she knows might google her name and get this thread.

psychomum5 · 16/04/2009 21:50

so the abuse......are you abusing her and keeping her DD away from her.

OMG

you cannot break up with her like that and keep her DD from her (well, I get that she is your DD to, but from what you say you are keeping your DD from her mother)

QuintessentialShadow · 16/04/2009 21:53

Why does she live 50 miles away from you?

CalanthiasDad · 16/04/2009 22:23

wow, many questions, and many thoughts.

Margot - yes, i know i have some control. I also have parental responsibility (thank god) - there's been times (especially recently) that she's said she'll take dd away and i'll never see her again.

I also know there's been plenty times when i haven't done the right thing. and that there's been plenty times when i've been told i didn't do the right thing, and vice versa. like i say, it's not been a healthy relationship.

i'm not looking to keep dd away from her, but she does have a very chaotic lifestyle for a variety of reasons. whereas i have stable job & mortgage.

she went for 9 weeks "to celebrate new year and see her family".

yes, the main reason i said no to dd going with her was the thought that she'd leave her there. there have been conversations / threats about dd living in china "for a few months" in the past.

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CalanthiasDad · 16/04/2009 22:34

ok, gotta go sleep.

thanks again for your messages and thoughts (and kicks to the rear .

i'll be doing it face to face, and i'll be expecting it to be messy.

and i'll try not to make any newbie mistakes with posts in the future...

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ItsMargotBeaurEGGarde · 16/04/2009 22:38

Well, you're entitled to end the relationship.

I don't mean to alarm you but I've been through these worries myself, opposite flip though, can your x-to-be get your daughter a Chinese passport without needing the father's consent?? Chinese passport regulations might be totally different.

SerendipitousHarlot · 16/04/2009 22:41

Hey, you know we're not being unsupportive though? Just that you have to face it, that's all. Good luck! And try to make sure that you and your dd are secure, like you are doing atm. Let us know how you get on.

RealityIsMyOnlyDelusion · 16/04/2009 22:42

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AnyFucker · 17/04/2009 08:27

thats what I thought too Reality

I would like to hear this womans side of the story

at best, this man is very strange, at worst.....

RealityIsMyOnlyDelusion · 17/04/2009 09:12

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IneedacleanerIamalazyslattern · 17/04/2009 09:21

Agree that OP does sound a bit atrange but it also reminds me so much of a situation the son of my neighbour was in with his at the time DP. She too was from a similar culture and often left the child for months on end with my neighbours and their son never having any contact with the baby, they did all the weaning took him for all his injections even had him long enough to potty train. They borrowed so many if my baby bits cots etc and when the baby was about 3 after being in and out the childs life she came back and said she was taking him to her family in the far east and wouldn't be returning. Neighbours son ended up going out with her for as long as a visa would allow. He is home now and has very little contact with his son saves like mad for every chance he has to go out and see him.

cory · 17/04/2009 10:44

this "a similar culture" thing is a bit

I've seen enough crappy British mums in my day, but still wouldn't judge every single one of you because you are from "a similar culture"

and btw my Chinese SIL is absolutely lovely

ElenorRigby · 17/04/2009 11:09

Calanthia's dad you will get practical help here and here
I understand your fears about your ex flitting back to China are real. It is cultural to send children back to China to be raised by their grandparents. I think you need to get advice ASAP. Those links will help you.

IneedacleanerIamalazyslattern · 17/04/2009 11:21

Oh for gods sake someone will always find something won't they. I knew when I wrote it that it was only a matter of time. I didn't mean anything by it in the slightest and the reason I phrased it like that is that I don't know enough about some cultures to be able to comment on whether they have different values or priorities in relationships or parenting so rahter than add bells and whisles to something and make snippy comments try to find out what someone means before hande eh?
Culturally parents in fact every day eveything we do can be very different depending on where we are in the world.

Incidentally my SIL from Singapore is lovley too but does have very different ways of doing so many things as a mum because she grew up on the other side of the world where a lot of things are done differently.

beanieb · 17/04/2009 11:22

CalanthiasDad

does your wife suffer from Psychosomatic illnesses?

My mum's partner left his previous partner without telling her because had he tried she would have got ill and stopped him from going. Am not sure if that's the best way to go about it but if she is either the type to get Psychosomatic illnesses or she creates a big wailing fuss then I can see why you might be looking for 'easy' ways out.

Maybe what you need to do is ...

firstly take her dad out of the equation, it really should be a decision made by you and her... or by you.

Then - be strong. If you want to end the relationship then you have to use language like 'it is over' or 'I am leaving you' rather than 'I thik we should split up' because if you are not firm about it then it gives the other person hope that you may be swayed or you don't mean it.

You also need to seek legal help, particularly with regards to your daughter. There is no guarantee that you will end up with main custody and I don't think it's fair for you to assume that you will.

Get to a solicitor first, then arrange to meet your partner and tell her face to face that it is over.

beanieb · 17/04/2009 11:25

Also - can I ask why you posted like this?

she went for 9 weeks "to celebrate new year and see her family".

Why put it into speech marks, it makes it sound like you don't believe that is why she went?

CalanthiasDad · 17/04/2009 15:15

well, i'm more than willing to describe myself as a bit strange, but other than that i'm pretty sure i'm as normal as any one else. current levels of stress from work and home life do mean that, as said before, my thoughts and reactions can be slightly "off" - i hear and see myself do stuff and think "wtf am i doing?", especially when from the reaction of others it's obvious i either haven't made myself clear or have just made what i thought was a joke but the other person thinks is just rudeness.

the stress also comes out as ibs - and for me, this firstly means that my head goes fuzzy, and its very difficult to think properly.

Ineedacleaner - yes, i'm aware of the different cultural values, and have no problem with them in general. and dd's mum is free to punish me if she wishes for perceived bad behaviour, even though that's really not productive.

however, her punishment also affects dd - about a year ago she left us both for what turned out to be two weeks. one of the main reasons for her return was that her breasts were sore as she hadn't been able to breast feed.

that was the first time she left me and dd, but far from the first time that she's left the house to live and / or work (or just leave me) somewhere else for a period of time.

her going to china is the third time she's left me and dd, allbeit that the second time she left to go and work.

further consideration - my dd's older half sister has been left with a wide variety of "nannies" (read: middle aged chinese / oriental ladies) and the most stability she's had thus far in her life has been when she's lived with her dad's parents in China for 6mth last year and since December last to present time.

this is not something i will allow my daughter to be subjected to.

Reality - i'm not looking down my nose at her, at least i certainly hope i'm not. I've had my times of chaos and instability. most people have. it's more that she seems to keep creating chaos and instability, in much the same way that although she's been asked many times and more recently just flat out told not to grab for me (metaphorically or literally), she still does it, and so it pushes me away.

i've had legal advice, and although there's no garuntees (sp?), i have parental responsibility and currently dd is resident with me.

looking at the reunite website was no fun at all - good advice and plenty info, but utterly horrible to have to think about using the information to prevent abduction.

Beanieb - it's my dad who thinks we should stay together, and i put him straight last night. not that he isn't already aware of what i and other think and feel, or the way she has been handling the situation. thanks for the thoughts on wording - this whole thread was just to see if anyone thought it would be at all acceptable to do this by letter. think i know the answer... (sheepish look)

Beanieb - it's in quotes cos that's what she said. but as friends, family and i say - why 9 weeks? surely 4 would've been enough. would you voluntarily leave your child for 9 weeks? bear in mind, that her mum had been over here for 6 mths from june to december 2008, and me, her and our dd had been over there for 2 weeks in June.

plus, as i've posted previously, she has a tendancy to say things for reasons other than because they are true, which is why i cannot trust her.

eleanor - thanks for the links

abuse - maybe i'm over-reacting, maybe it's my stressed state of mind, maybe maybe maybe. i can definately see elements, if not flat out examples of times she's been abusive toward me - belittling me, calling me names, agressive behaviour towards me.

and i know i haven't always behaved impeccably, either. i know there's been times when i've shouted at her, been scathing and sarcastic to her, and generally behaved in a way that i'm not happy about either.

but i know this isn't generally how i behave in a relationship, which makes me think that it's no good for either of us to stay together, and definately no good for our dd.

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RumourOfAHurricane · 17/04/2009 15:17

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ElenorRigby · 17/04/2009 15:32

It is horrible to look at stuff about abduction but it is essential to gain knowledge in case of the worst.
I know a dad who has not seen his daughter for months. He had shared residence for her. He went to collect her as per court order to find the house empty.
As first it was thought they were in India- a red herring, they were traced roughly to Mexico with latest snippet that they entered the USA.
China is not a signatory to the Hague Convention, you need to proceed with caution.
As I said follow those links and get advice there.
IMO one of the first thing you should seek is a prohibive steps order, this will prevent your DD being removed from jurisdiction.

beanieb · 17/04/2009 15:33

well, having read that you clearly don't like her, let alone love her so I agree with Shineon, you need to finish the relationship.

Why is your dad so keen on you continuing the relationship?

SarahL2 · 17/04/2009 15:38

Why slap him shiney?

He seems to me like he's just trying to work out how to get out of this with the least amount of drama for his/his daughters sake...

Would have thought you would suggest arranging a date at a penguin sanctuary

RumourOfAHurricane · 17/04/2009 15:41

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MorrisZapp · 17/04/2009 15:44

I agree with shiney, though I draw the line at slapping.

I don't think we're getting the facts here.

What are the facts, in brief, OP?

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