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to really have it in for GP's surgeries...

350 replies

mersmam · 25/02/2009 18:14

Had an appointment with my community midwife today (I'm 30 weeks pregnant and haven't seen her since I was 16 weeks, which was when she made the appointment.)
Got to the drs surgery to find it locked and a notice up saying that the surgery is closed this afternoon for staff training! As far as I'm aware there has been no attempt to contact me about this! I rang the midwife's office straight away but could only leave a message and have so far had no response.
Am really annoyed as have arranged my whole day around the appointment (and DH had arranged to work from home so he could come too).
Generally I am just sick of the whole GP system - I can never get an appointment at a convenient time - when I do I always have to wait at least half an hour (no joke with three DCs under 5) and the staff on reception are rude.
I asked for a home visit once as I was ill along with all the DCs and you'd think I'd asked for the moon...

The thing with the midwife today feels like the final straw...

Should I change surgeries to somewhere further away (which would be less convenient?) or are they all like this?

OP posts:
Pristina · 28/02/2009 21:37

macdoodle, it's not propoganda. When the government introduced the new GP contracts they said that they wanted to make GPs more like private businesses. Well all the private businesses I know don't have index linked taxpayer funded pensions (except the top bankers of course...).

macdoodle · 28/02/2009 23:07

Pristina are you a GP or a GP practice manager, or work for a PCT/LHB??

BellaNoir · 01/03/2009 00:01

Could I suggest that those posters who have had problems in their hospital contact the PALS (Patients advisory/advocate service) for that hospital, they will help you to complain about the problem and work with the department to obtain a resolution/improvement.

RoobeeToozdae · 01/03/2009 00:02

I have to say that we have a fantastic GP surgery. The administrative and front line staff are warm, friendly and try to "know" their patients. The doctor's are down to earth and accessible, often sharing their own situations with you e.g. my dcs had this, [illness]. One of the doctors actually came out to see me when I had mastitis and gave me bf support.

The same goes for all the NHS staff (medical and non-medical) that we came into contact with when I was pregnant with twins. I have to say that they were all a major factor in us having the most wonderful experience of our lives. We live in an area that has featured in Britain's Worst Places to Live so have our fair share of social problems. However, what I found surprising during my many, many appointments at the ante-natal clinic, was that the people who were the rudest to staff and ignored the requests to turn of mobiles were those with the smartest business clothes and briefcases!

If I had felt that any part of my contact with the NHS was not satisfactory then I would have no qualms in making a comment or if necessary, raising a complaint.

Feedback is essential tool for any service provider serious about understanding needs and improving services. If things go seriously wrong then formal complaints procedures really need to be invoked. Unfortunately, in my experience, this route is rarely taken, the preference being to tell anyone and everyone but those who are in a position to do something about it.

RoobeeToozdae · 01/03/2009 00:04

ps - I don't work in any NHS or related service.

thumbwitch · 01/03/2009 00:22

I love my GP surgery. I love it so much that when I moved just outside of its area, I begged to be allowed to stay with them and not have to move to the considerably bigger surgery that was nearer.

My GP surgery is a tiny practice, in a converted bungalow, only 3 GPs. I can nearly always get an appt or an emergency appt on the same day as I phone up. of the receptionists, 3 are great and one is less so but they are all at least polite.

Unlike the receptionist at a bigger surgery I had to visit for a hearing appt for DS - when I said I wasn't sure if I was in the right place, she said rudely "probably not then" so I became immediately supercilious in response and said, is this not XX surgery then? while handing over the letter of appt. She was barely abashed that she was wrong, just waved me towards the stairs up to the special hearing clinic.

macdoodle · 01/03/2009 07:29

There are rude people in every single walk of life, I have had dealings with rude bank staff, tesco staff, estate agents, clothes shops etc etc you name it - the difference is if I spoke to or demanded things the way SOME patients speak to GP receptionists then I would be thrown out on my ear pretty damn quick - in the NHS/GP, it seems being ill or worried is an excuse to behave in almost any way imaginable - I hate these threads where people just throw out examples thinking that this is a general way to slag off what they perceive as an unfair service - trust me I could give you some truly terrible examples of appaling treatement of both myself and my staff - i wouldnt because I respect my patients and would never ever break confidentiality even in an anonymous way and there in is the difference - everyone is publicly alowed to diss and criticise openyl a perceived fault or slight but the defense is not and wouldnt even if they could ...

Pristine my question was because unless you are closely working in GP there really is no way at all you could understand either the pay or the pension, it is a minefield for us who work with it, and if you are going by what you read in the press, then you really have no idea !!!

Pristina · 01/03/2009 07:32

macdoodle, no not a GP or health worker persoanlly, but do know some personally. Does this stop me from having an opinion on the subject?

The terms of GPs's contracts are in the public domain. The government tried to backpedal a while back because they recognised the contracts had been far too generous and one sided, in a similar way as the banks. They certainly enjoy job security and pension arrangements unheard of in the private sector. From what I understand from medic friends, graduates now see general practice as more attractive than hospital jobs, which certainly wasn't the case 20 years ago.

In my own practice there are some lovely individual GPs. There are also a few indifferent ones, who prescribe antibiotics too readily, don't seem that interested. I also get fed up with having to come in for "check ups" (or my repeat presription is threatened with being cancelled) which consist of the nurse clicking a few buttons on her computer, and I suspect has something to do with government bonus payments.

It is a large practice serving a large population, and I think it is quite wrong not to offer weekend and evening appointments. Ditto shutting the entire place down for staff training afternoons.

fivecandles · 01/03/2009 07:34

Bella I did once try to complain through PALS. There was never a response. I phoned several times but in the event chasing up the complaint added to my distress and I got to the point where I just wanted to forget what happened. If you look at the research I linked to earlier you'll find that this experience is not unusual. Patients' complaints are notoriously ignored or badly handled. I would think very carefully about complaining again since I am quite aware that this can so often add to the sense that patients' concerns are not taken seriously.

I'm glad to hear that some people have positive experiences of their GPs surgeries. Of course, this doesn't mean that those people who have bad experiences should be taken any less seriously.

myfriendflicka · 01/03/2009 08:50

I notice Northern Lurker hasn't replied or acknowledged my post. I expect the GP's receptionist's behaviour was a bit too indefensible for you to say anything arrogant and hectoring positive about.

To say that I complained and they changed their procedures does not wipe out the stress I went through for months, as the carer of a dying partner with two young children and a job to cope with as well. Because my husband's condition was so rare (an inoperable brain tumour) everybody in the practice knew about it, and yet the recpetionist still behaved in an unforgivable way.

My husband was also, incidently, had shoddy treatment in hospital - he was subject to unnecessary and painful procedures, nobody realised how ill he was, he was put in the wrong ward and the consultant lied about coming to see him when she had not, he was not properly accessed, and his family and I were treated with contempt when we complained.

But of course, what would I know, I'm just a pig-shit thick NHS user taking up a 'victim postion'.

After he died I complained to the trust - was not happy with their replies but unable to cope with taking it further, there is a six month deadline on doing so, which is very convenient for both the NHS and the Government, hundreds of complaints must be stymied by this.

No doubt that will earn me your contempt - well what do you expect if you don't have the gumption to follow our super NHS complaints procedures? - after a terrible death like my husband's you are surviving from minute to minute, you are certainly not able to cope with the stonewalling and arrogance which I encountered - it takes too much emotional energy which you need to survive for yourself and your children.

My brother in law is a GP and he was also extremely shocked by what happened.

To all those replying/reading this thread, don't trust the NHS to look after you when you are dying, or show compassion - they won't. They'll just try and cover up their mistakes.

macdoodle · 01/03/2009 09:30

Pristina an opinion is not the same as a statement of fact which is how you worded your post and someone reading it would assume it was true !
I am sorry that people have had bad experiences but I think to rant and rant about the failings of GP's and staff based on bad experiences is just a little unfair and certainly can be seen as GP bashing - it negates all the hard work and good work that IMO the vast majority of GP's offer - I am pretty sure you have no idea how despondant and how low morale is for most working in the NHS - this is down to one thing - government actions and spin and public perception...
Again I am sorry to hear of bad experiences but I wont be coming back to try and explain debate or reason, I can see that those on this thread do not want that, I will leave you to your ranting and bitterness, and hope that the wonderful system that is the NHS has the strenght to endure but I very much doubt it does, and when we live in a system similar to the US I think that we will all very regeret what we allowed to happen

myfriendflicka · 01/03/2009 09:37

Macdoodle it's your arrogance and general air of the gods coming off mount olympus to tell us mere mortals something about the NHS for our own good that rankles. Oh yes, and if the system fails, it will our fault for not worshiping its saintly staff enough, and not saying whatever it does is marvellous.

And by the way, if you had had an experience like mine you would be disillusioned, and bitter and angry. Quite rightly.

Carry on being holy martyr, I hope you are in a different area of the country from me (south east).

Oh yeah, I'd know you by your halo, wouldn't I?

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 01/03/2009 10:03

myfriendflicka..I am very sorry you had a bad experience.

Fair enough you are bitter, disillusioned and angry.

But that post IMO is way OTT, macdoodle is not personally responsible for your bad experience you know.

myfriendflicka · 01/03/2009 10:18

Then she shouldn't write in the manner she does, then. This isn't a therapy thread to make a doctor feel better about herself.

You don't know me, so you aren't sorry about my experience.

And I don't give a fuck about what anyone on this thread thinks of me, so don't bother coming back with your judgements.

The NHS, and its staff, should be a lot more accountable than they are.

LibrasJusticeLeagueofBiscuits · 01/03/2009 10:23

Pristina - "graduates now see general practice as more attractive than hospital jobs"

Yes they do, that's because now GP jobs allow them the time to have a life as well and if you want the GP service to evolve so that you can see your GP NOW! Then more GPs are needed.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 01/03/2009 10:31

myfriendflicka - well, if anyone is coming across as arrogant and hectoring here, I'm afraid it is you!

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 01/03/2009 10:32

And I didn't comment to make you care what I think of you, it was support for macdoodle, who was just defending herself in the face of pretty harsh attacks IMO.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 01/03/2009 10:38

Anyway I am off now too, I don't want to become the target of your ranting and bitterness either...going through personal hardship is not a licence to rant and swear at people......

Seems like its not only receptionists who are rude to people they don't know.

myfriendflicka · 01/03/2009 10:40

I'm angry, not arrogant or hectoring, and so would you be if you had gone through what I have.

Glad you feel such compassion for macdoodle.

As I said, my main point is that the NHS needs to be more accountable.

Fanjo, if you had had to deal with your partner's terminal illness and death, which was made into a much worse experience by incompetence, you wouldn't be shedding any tears for doctors' finer feelings, especially when they come on here saying the NHS is wonderful and so are all its staff, and threaten that we will go over to an American style system if we don't properly appreciate it, ie ignore glaring problems.

myfriendflicka · 01/03/2009 10:43

Just saw your last point Fanjo.

I'm not employed here, to be polite to you, so comparing me to a doctor's receptionist is a bit pathetic.

And then you run away....

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 01/03/2009 10:50

Not a matter of running away. However I have important real life stuff to attend to and also it wouldn't really enrich my life to be ranted at/argued with on here, so I am choosing not to. I don't work for the NHS BTW either.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 01/03/2009 10:51

"Fanjo, if you had had to deal with your partner's terminal illness and death, which was made into a much worse experience by incompetence, you wouldn't be shedding any tears for doctors' finer feelings"

Yes, because all doctors are the same, and must all be blamed for your bad experience.

Think about what you are saying here!

Bye!

myfriendflicka · 01/03/2009 10:51

This is a thread about arguing!

How on earth could you mistake it for a tea party?

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 01/03/2009 10:53

I didn't, i chose not to stay and argue, I am still allowed to post, FFS.

Right, definitely going, find another person to argue with!

myfriendflicka · 01/03/2009 10:54

I wasn't blaming her for my bad experience. I was angry about her attitude to anyone who complains about the NHS.

You think about what you are saying.