to think that rather than complain about larger families, or suggest ways of ridding the world of disabled people, those people should offer to rid the world of themselves........

[psychomum5]

something that has been bugging me now for days..................there has been lots on the papers this week about the twat complaining of large families and suggesting a 'ban' on people having more than two children, as it has a drain on the economy anad the world, plus last month another so-called 'expert' suggested ways of identifying yet more 'disabilities' and therfore implying that people would want to abort them.

now, 1), more children being born is actually a good thing, and much needed, as the population is now getting older and the workforce needed to pay the pensions of the elderly will soon be smaller than demand (IYGEWIM)

and 2), on the part fo the disabled............surely that is subjective to how we enable people to exist in our society?? you are only disabled by those around you if they cannot enable you to exist properly in your enviroment. (I hope I am making myself clear.........it is very hard to write down what is in my head at times).

soooooooooooooooooo

all those who think we are draining society, well, surely they should then suggest ridding society of themselves, especially if they are over the age of retirement, as they are not exactly making a contribution anymore going on the way they state you can only contribute if you work and earn money.

people who have twattish opinions really have no worth do they

which last two wars riven?

www 1 and 2
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physco suprised that older people comment about large families, as back in there day it was the norm.

snap

2shoes.........from my own experience ragrding why larger families are frowned upon by the older members of our community are moe to do with (apparently) better control for us with WRT birth control etc. they feel that we should choose to limit our families because we now do have that choice, as opposed to them.

as for WW1 and WW2........I did say that the majority are religion, but if not religion then it is politics (power IOW).

WW1 was down to politics. the crux of the war was started by the assination of the archduke of austria, but underlying that was the politics of power going on in germany IIRC.

WW2 started with germany invading poland, but the underlying problem was hitler wanting to rid the world of the jewish faith, and in fact any race that was not arryan (sp?), which IMHO boils down to religion, altho I except that would not be everyones opinion.

altho in actual fact, hilter was an egomaniac, which some of OP was alluding to with regards to how these people think.............they seem to think that their opinion is the only and right opinion.......dangerous territory!

Who was it who said that disabled people aren't valid humans?

Or is this a huge extrapolation from science being able to discover more about babies in the womb?

morris, there was a very vile thread a wee while back started by someone claiming that thenew ability to detect things like ASD in utero could only be a Good Thing, as we could aspire to build a bigger better race of people!

there were a shocking number of posters who seemed to agree with the OP!

I'll be honest and say that I simply don't believe that anybody said on here that we should aim at building a bigger better race of people and didn't get flamed for it.

I think you're making up a strawman here. It's true of course that there is loads of prejudice against disabled people, but I have never heard any serious commentator or MNer suggest that we should rid the world of the disabled or indeed anything like it.

And I think we should cut down world population too but that's another argument

tis here, and yes, they did!

FWIW my experience has very generally tended to be that old people are the more likely to make assumptions and be genuinely ignorant - knowing little of autism and assuming bad behaviour. Often conversation can deal with this.
The really nasty stuff in my experience has been from younger people - like the young man a few weeks ago who shouted at my sons school bus about fucking retards clogging up the roads and the young woman who stepped over my son having atantrum because she couldn't be arsed to walk around as i tried desperately to calm him. And the woman in Boots in Sidcup who hit me and said "women like you shouldn't be allowed children".
I could go on....

pag, that is an awful comment to make!

Oh it was a while ago. And i know I'm a good mum - I didn't swing for her after all

you are a better woman that me then, as I would have.

in fact, I did....hence my nickname (and a small too, even tho she deserved it for threatening to run my children down)

sorry morris your post made me lol,

Eh?

Only read the first page of the 'super race' thread but she was flamed, and accused of being a troll.

Sorry, I still think you're arguing against thin air.

try reading the whole thread, you will see what some supposedly inteligent MN people said.

oh you so need to read the entire thing then!!

there were many derogitory comments against the disabled on the thread.

Morris there was someone on there who did say all of those things sadly, buried deep. Yes she was flamed but that doesn't make it OK then- she's out there somewhere, after all, still beleiving it (she came back and said she did believe it still).

The people beleiveing ita re everywhere- there was a thread on here recently about how asd kids ruin your life, and the DM article (yes I know but again- still out there) ahd a comment from a (IIRC) care worker giving her locationa s near us that asd people do ruin your life and some other horrid stuff; given that this person could one day be caring for my child you'll see why it's upsetting and frankly scary.

I couldn't find any derogatory comments about the disabled on there but it is 41 pages long and I haven't time to read it all.

Fwiw I'm in the camp that says that screening before birth with a view to potentially choosing termination is not the same as ridding the world of disabled people.

The latter implies harm to living people.

well unless you read the whole thread, you can't accuse us of arguing with thin air

agree with 2shoes.

you really cannot say that unless you read the thread.

there were some very vile comments, and not just with regards to screening out disabilities

AMber did a rather fine list of quptes but i can't find it.

Anyway we mustn't hijack Psycho's thread- we don't want to rehash that last one, too many people got hurt.

I think the things about now we have a choice is partly why people do look down on big famillies- because they (their Mums etc) wuld have much preferred a smaller family (am sure Nan would have, they can only assume we didn't bother with contraception rather than make an active choice.