Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

In expecting the council to provide a house that i can actually move into??? (long, sorry)

82 replies

Deemented · 03/01/2009 08:17

Some background first - my hubbs died last August, and now my children and i have to move home. We were living in an adapted bungalow as my hubbs was disabled, and now the council need this bungalow back. Which is fair enough, before we moved here i did sign a waiver saying that should anything happen to hubbs then i would be willing to be rehoused.

So, on December 19th, the housing officer calls round here and tells me that a house has become available for me, and that they need me to move in within a fortnight - my tenancy is due to start on the 5th Jan. Despite the fact that it was Christmas week, and despite the fact that it was our first christmas without hubbs i took it on the chin and got cracking.

I was given a £50 decorating voucher as neither of the childrens rooms have been stripped ect, and the wallpaper was hanging off, so enlisted the help of some friends and we started to strip the walls. Behind the wallpaper, the walls are in a terrible state - holes big enough that i can fit my hand in, and holes with random pieces of wire sticking out of them ect. An inspector came out and had a look and said that yes, they need work carrying out on them and that the plasterers were about 4 months behind. I explained that i was due to be in the house quite soon, and he told me... oh well.. just stick some old newspaper in the walls and some polyfilla over it

I then spoke to my housing officer who asked me to take both children in the same bedroom as me for a few months until the work has been done - i told her that that wasn't happening. My son has health problems which sometimes mean he has very disturbed nights and whilst i can manage that, he tends to disturb the baby if they are in the same room, hence me having a 3 bed house in the first place.

SO back to the house - there is no electric or gas there currently - the previous tenant left debts on both meters, and am waiting for the utilities to send me out cards so that i can get them back on. Then the council need to come and do an inspection of both gas and elec, before i can move in.

Which brings me back to the state of the house. The council have boarded up the fresh air vent that comes in from outside - now i'm not a whizz at things like this, but i do believe that that might be dangerous and could lead to carbon monoxide poisoning, especially as there is a gas fire in the front room which has a boiler behind it? There's also a three inch hole in the ceiling where they have resited the lights and not bothered to fill, hence being able to see directly into the electrics.

Then there's the bathroom - they haven't connected the bath properly, so when i happened to turn the tap on, water flooded all over the floor.

And yet they still expect me to be moved in by monday - or they will start charging me double rent.

AIBU in the fact that i want a home that i can actually move into - at the very least i won't move in until the heatings been on a while - i'm not taking my baby into a freezing home when i have the keys to a lovely warm bungalow.

What do you think - AIBU?

OP posts:
scrooged · 03/01/2009 21:27

I'd ask some questions about the previous occupants. Holes in the walls are often made to hide things and the last thing you need is people knocking at the door at all hours wanting to buy 'stuff' from who they think are the old tenants.

Stay where you are until they find you somewhere suitable and safe for your children. They have no right to put you there.

BoffinMum · 03/01/2009 21:28

www.communities.gov.uk/documents/housing/pdf/138355.pdf

This is a link to a key Government document I found on the internet on what constitutes a decent home, from Department of Communities and Local Government. You could do worse than print it off and wave it around IMO. Registered Social Landlords and Local Authorities should be complying with the current Health and Safety Rating System (HHSRS) which replaced the Housing Fitness Standard on 6 April 2006. This is statutory guidance, i.e. they have to apply it and it's not optional.

I would argue that because of the gas situation there is a existing hazard that could be assessed as serious. As it says in the document:

"4.2 Dwellings which fail to meet this criterion are those containing one or more hazards assessed as serious (?Category 1?) under the HHSRS."

If you read on in the document it also defines what is meant by 'reasonable repair' which I imagine will apply if the serious hazard thing doesn't.

Tortington · 03/01/2009 23:44

fkin ell waz lookin' for that fer ageeeeees.

you deserve your title boffin
i bow to your skills

Deemented · 03/01/2009 23:49

Thank you so much folks - you're bloody amazing

Will send it to my friend to print out for me as i be sans printer atm.

OP posts:
BoffinMum · 03/01/2009 23:50

Cheers mate.

Deemented · 04/01/2009 14:52

So have been to the house this morning and taken some photos. I then went and printed some out to take with me tomorrow.

This is the vent from the outside - it's been filled with loads of junk

i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq192/heatlovesmeat/P1010004.jpg

i447.photobuck et.com/albums/qq192/heatlovesmeat/P1010005.jpg

And this is the inside - if you look closely you can just about see where the vent has been covered over

i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq192/heatlovesmeat/P1010006.jpg

This is the light fitting in the living room

i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq192/heatlovesmeat/P1010002.jpg

This is a hole in the wall by the skirting in my daughters room

i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq192/heatlovesmeat/P1010022.jpg

OP posts:
Deemented · 04/01/2009 14:55

Oh feck - buggered that one up!!

Try again!

This is the vent from the outside - it's been filled with loads of junk

i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq192/heatlovesmeat/P1010004.jpg

et.com/albums/qq192/heatlovesmeat/P1010005.jpg

And this is the inside - if you look closely you can just about see where the vent has been covered over

i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq192/heatlovesmeat/P1010006.jpg

This is the light fitting in the living room

i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq192/heatlovesmeat/P1010002.jpg

This is a hole in the wall by the skirting in my daughters room

i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq192/heatlovesmeat/P1010022.jpg

OP posts:
MadameCastafiore · 04/01/2009 15:06

Has anyone on here or that you know got a heating engineer/gas man husband or DP that they can get to do a report from these photos - may help if you could get it emailed to you to take with you?

devilisunaccomplishedinprada · 04/01/2009 15:08

That looks bloody awful Deemented.

BoffinMum · 04/01/2009 15:19

As I thought, you have two hazards that could be classified as 'serious' (vent and wiring). What total muppets. They have clearly broken the law with respect to gas safety (should be checked by CORGI registered person annually and ideally at the beginning of a new tenancy) and also electrical installation safety (should be checked every 5 years by registered electrician and again ideally before each tenancy). The law is very strict for landlords in this regard, and it doesn't matter if they are a council or not. You really shouldn't move in for the time being.
What really beggars belief is that some person in the council is paid to make sure that properties are safe and that this doesn't happen. WTF do they think they are doing?

Deemented · 04/01/2009 15:22

I'm hoping to have my gas and elec cards on monday so then the council can arrange a safety check for both, and see where we go from there too.

OP posts:
jicky · 04/01/2009 15:24

The vent thing is definatly illegal.

We had a gas fire fitted in a room last year that had previously had an open fire. As the room isn't used much and the fire very rarely I asked if I could have a vent I could shut, but was told that wasn't allowed.

The vent must be sorted before you move in.

Good idea to ask for the gas and electricity certificates indicating everything is safe.

Hassled · 04/01/2009 15:31

I'm just so shocked by this - wish I had something useful to say. But I can't see you will do any harm by emailing your MP now - you could basically cut and paste your OP - and it may help. You're sounding astonishingly calm - I'm full of admiration.

Deemented · 04/01/2009 15:45

Tbh Hassled, i want to give the housing officer a chance to respond before going to the my MP, that way the can't turn around and say that if i'd gone to them first they would have sorted it, iyswim?

As for being astonishingly calm... well.. i think i'm more numb then anything. So much has happened in the last 6 months - lost hubbs, then my mum, now having to move... i just feel more resigned to it then anything else - just wondering what the fuck lifes going to throw at me next.

OP posts:
Hassled · 04/01/2009 15:49

You are one brave woman. Let us know how you get on

ThingOne · 04/01/2009 16:58

Hope you can get it sorted Deemented. You've had some great advice on here.

Jillydix · 04/01/2009 16:58

Deemented - good luck tomorrow - many people are holding thumbs for you, and you will be in our thoughts. Best wishes.

FunkierThanAMosquitosTweeter · 04/01/2009 18:41

I'm sorry if this has already been said, but when DD was a baby I moved from a hostel (which I was claiming HB for) into a flat. The flat was awful, with syringes in the toilet cistern, and many other mingingties, but because I was unable to move in straight away I claimed a months overlap of HB.

www.midsussex.gov.uk/page.cfm?pageID=5934

Would this help you to be able to stay in your bungalow until the council makes the new house habitable?

Sorry you are having to go through this

sunnygirl1412 · 05/01/2009 11:32

I've been reading this thread over the days that it's been developing, but haven't contributed as I didn't feel I had any useful advice to offer - but I am keeping my fingers crossed today for Deemented as she goes to see the Housing Officer!

Wonderstuff · 05/01/2009 13:05

Just wanted to wish you luck, hope everything gets sorted out today.

Notalone · 05/01/2009 15:36

I am thinking of you too. Good luck - really hope you get it sorted

Northernlurker · 05/01/2009 18:44

How did it go?

Deemented · 05/01/2009 22:28

Sorry - it's been bloody mad today!

So, my housing officer rang me today before i got the chance to go to see her.

I told her all about the problems with the house, and she said that now i was a tennant i needed to ring the repairs office to get them to sort them - hopefully before i move in. So i rang the repairs place and spoke to a lady who said that she will send an inspector out to see me 'sometime' on Weds. I will take great pleasure in taking him around the house to show him each and every one of the problems. Only today we noticed that the bedroom door in my room has cardboard stuffed behind the screw plates to keep it on. Oh and if i tilt my head a certain way i can see daylight between the wall and my sons bedroom window. Sigh.

On a more proactive note - i've emailed all my local representatives with details of whats been going on, as well as sending pics.

Fingers crossed i hear something soon.

OP posts:
aidansyummymummy · 05/01/2009 22:59

to be honest deemented that really isnt an acceptable response from your housing officer

She should be bending over backwards to get the repairs sorted.

I think you need to ring again and kick right off. You want someone there tomorrow and a time they are coming. You need to tell them that you have photos of the appalling mess they have left the house in and that you are involving you MP regardless. They can then decide how much of a complaint they want you to have as if they continue fobbing you off then you will also go to the papers!

Kick thats housing officers ass into touch, they were out of order to come over just 6 days before xmas and expect you to move so quick. Where are you actually living at the mo? Do not leave the old house until repairs done and house acceptable standard.

aidansyummymummy · 06/01/2009 19:07

just wondering if you had any further success today?

Swipe left for the next trending thread