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to expect my local cancel to pay for transport to a private school

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tootyflooty · 13/12/2008 12:23

My dd has been offered a place at a theatre school, it is fee paying but not local and they do not have scholerships. I asked the council if they would provide the cost of a train pass, but were told no, because it is not our local state school.My argument is that by funding my dd education for the next 5 years (not easily affordable for us)I am saving the local education authority vast sums of money as they will not be paying for her place at the local state school, it seems unfair that we are penalised for our decision, She would get a free pass if our local school was over 3 miles away.Sorry to ramble but we have never had handouts from anyone and this seems grossly unfair.

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IlanaK · 13/12/2008 14:55

I have been home educating for the last 3 and a half years so how much am I owed? Its a bizare logic really. What if you don't use the public health system and go private instead? Can you claim transport costs to your doctors appointments?

clam · 13/12/2008 14:55

Tootyflooty, but it is an unreasonable request when compared with, say, the people I referred to in my post at 14.22. There just isn't the money to go round as it is.
You asked if you were being unreasonable. I think the verdict on here is that "yes, you are."
And I just don't see the relevance to funding for travellers or other minoroty groups.

crazyloon1 · 13/12/2008 14:55

someone send me a dictionary

treedelivery · 13/12/2008 14:55

The White company. Don't forget white company. Scented candles for a beter future!

RubyRioja · 13/12/2008 14:57

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treedelivery · 13/12/2008 14:58

Agree with clam. Not the most unreasonable ever, I see there could be a debate but think on balance I'm with clam.

SantasNuttySTaff · 13/12/2008 15:00

"we turn out better citizens who are better educated and give more to the country than state educated children so the country benefits twice over"

My sides ar splitting!!! i went to boarding school for the last 3 years of my secondary education and in that time

The music teacher was arrested for being a peadophile

Half the boys were selling/taking drugs

weekends everyone got incredibly drunk

on girl got taken to hospital for trying to kill herself

lol, better class citizens my bottom!!!

chaufleur · 13/12/2008 15:01

Anarchy: "Travellers pay VAT on goods they buy.

They pay council tax on legal pitches.

They pay income tax".

All that's absolutely fair enough and I couldn't agree more that those who contribute as above should expect and receive services from the council.

What's your take though on those that don't pay council or income tax (and still get taxis and school places and hospital treatment etc?) Do you think that's fair?

Turniphead1 · 13/12/2008 15:01

I can't WAIT to get my tax rebate on the massive private hospital bill I am about to pay in a few weeks for the birth of DC3. I mean, I would have thought my DC will turn out to be a "better citizen" having had a waterbirth and with Mum and Dad having their own room and room service & wine afterwards. This was not just my choice. You know, I really didn't like being on an NHS ward first time round. There were all sorts of oiks and pikeys there...

clam · 13/12/2008 15:03

And actually tooty, earlier on you said you pay into the system but never take anything out. But you have 3 DCs, all of whom, at the moment, are in state schools. So you're getting your money's worth now. Not to mention family allowances (or whatever that's called nowadays). And NHS care.

crazyloon1 · 13/12/2008 15:03

One of the worst 'citizens' I knew went to public school.

Regular drunk driver, serial affairs, love children, lies about tax returns and to the csa...smokes, takes charlie,

Oh he was damn good in bed though.

treedelivery · 13/12/2008 15:04

lol. Yep - the staff!! Me!!

treedelivery · 13/12/2008 15:07

argh - cross thread [although I am a demon in the sack ]

response was to Turniphead!!

So crazy, got his number...?

chocolatemummy · 13/12/2008 15:07

oh dear. I have had to fight for families to get free school meals and help with uniform in circumstances you would not believe, I just dont think comments by OP or others can be taken seriously and it shows if anything, that private education and SOME of those who use it/have it can breed such ignorance that its dangerous.

wb · 13/12/2008 15:09

So, if those who send their children to public school get a tax rebate on the basis that they will be better citizens, if they turn out not to be do the rest of us get our money back?

And just how good do they have to be - law-abiding, vocational jobs, Mother Teresa (only working in the UK for UK families obviously)?

navyeyelasH · 13/12/2008 15:09

This is just turning into a fee paying v non fee paying school debate always a contentious issue on Mumsnet.

I think the OP is saying it's unfair that the council can't help her out (even a tiny weeny small bit, in form of transport cost not fees) when they are willing to help out others in a far bigger way who may have put less into the "system".

Take this example:

When I was at uni in my final year aged 21 I found out I needed glasses. I filed out a form to get a small amount put towards the cost of my glasses (think it was a voucher worth £30, cost of glasses and sight test was around £100) but my claim was rejected on the basis that I worked part time (during uni and holidays) and could afford to pay for them myself. As an aside I have worked in some capacity since I was 14.

At this exact same time, my then 18 year old sister (whom I love dearly I might add), who has never ever worked (well for longer than a week) and is a young mum (baby was 7 months old at time, so is on benefits etc) found a rabbit in the street. She decided she would keep him and took him to the vets to make sure he was healthy etc which was all paid for by the government.

Now for me this situation clearly demonstrates how the welfare state has become a little bit extreme. I am completely and utterly 100% happy for people who need it to receive help, and although I anticipate a flaming I do really mean that. I also understand that the majority of people who do have state help are not "well off" buying flat screen tv's etc and that living on benefits especially with children is very very difficult. But you need a balance, which is obviously very very hard to reach.

But come on... rejecting a claim of £30 for help with cost of glasses for a student who has been in the tax "system" for 7 years but then accepting a claim for an abandoned rabbit from a person who has never been in the tax "system" (actually accepting the rabbit full stop of a human is pretty mad!)

Anyway rant over, bring on the flames

RubyRioja · 13/12/2008 15:13

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piscesmoon · 13/12/2008 15:14

It is really simple-if you go to your catchment school and it is over 3 miles away you get free travel until you are 16. If you don't take the place at the catchment school you pay for travel.

treedelivery · 13/12/2008 15:15

No flames here!

We miss the surestart grant because dh paid contributions and is therefore not on income based jsa. We miss it by 50p a year on the tax credits eligibilty.

There is unfairness for sure. It's so damn complicated!

clam · 13/12/2008 15:15

OK, so the fault lies with the system that pays out unnecessarily - for the rabbit. That doesn't mean you're still entitled to help with the glasses!

But I understand what you're saying. It must have been annoying.

Aitch · 13/12/2008 15:16

i think the OP's not being that unreasonable, tbh, at least in her OP. means-testing for transport costs wouldn't be riotously unfair, would it?

chaufleur · 13/12/2008 15:16

chocolatemummy: the point is you shouldn't have to fight for free school meals of uniform for those who need it - but it's not people like Tooty's fault that the money isn't there, just because she is sending her DC to a private school!

That should, in theory, free up some council cash to help pay for MORE free school meals for the needy, because they aren't paying for Tooty's DC to go to school any more!!

Instead of being all at people like Tooty for taking her DC out of the state system and paying for it herself, only wanting a little bit of support re transport which is a fraction of the cost of a secondary school education for 5 years +, be annoyed at the council for placing more importance on sorting out a rabbit instead of a child needing state school dinners or uniforms.

crazyloon1 · 13/12/2008 15:17

Soz Tree...no such joy.

If I did i would happily give it to all and sundry, especially the csa...

treedelivery · 13/12/2008 15:18

Clam - exactly. SYSTEM problems, not fault of travellers, bunnies etc.

Mis directed anger from some [no one in particular you understand - except the Daily Mail who hates everyone] who feel unheard and put upon. I can understand the anger, but send it in the right direction. Parliament. Now there's a bugger of a hard reality.

Turniphead1 · 13/12/2008 15:19

Yeah, but does the rabbit contribute to society? Is it still living? Is it a "better citizen"? Is it a pikey rabbit or an all-singing all-dancing XFactor Britain's Got Talent kind of rabbit? Or is it Britain's Worst Pets from Hell kind of rabbit? Does it now walk everywhere or take a bus to it's local catchment school? Does it wear Boden or Asda?

You see ... it's not all that straightfoward. Even for rabbits.

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