to get cross at this

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my eldest lives with the wealthy in-laws. She's 16. They want us to claim EMA for her based on our income cos our income is under 20K so we qualify but there's is way over 30K so they don't.
Surely that money is for poor families?
And they are demanding various P60's that we have lost to fill in the damn forms.
We already give them the Child benefit.

You should put the correct details down. Do you know your in-laws exact income? I'm surprised people are this open, that's all.

Your dd will need to state the income in the household she is living as well as parents income (at least thats what I had to do)

parents fill in the form and the 16 yo gets the EMA.

she will have to sign it though therefore also lying on the application if you say she lives with you

I really wouldn't lie on the form as if you are prosecuted for fraud you will probably have to pay back the money!!!!

If clearly states that is the household in which your dd is living then surely the in-laws have to complete it in loco-parentis?

I think I'm going to go hide in a cupboard when MIL phones. I really don't want to be dealing with this!

Look just tell your pushy MIL you can't lie about dd living with you because the benefits office KNOWS she's not living with you. If she was living with you, you'd be getting a higher rate of benefit. Benefits and EMAs all link and co-ordinate wth each othe. It simply isn't possible for you to lie, even if you wanted to.

Jeez, get your MIL on her, I'll tell her

I'm gonna let dh handle it
His mother, his problem.
Its always me that gets stcuck with these things and I really don't want to talk to MIL given she says dd2 would be better off dead.
problem solved.

You have to send your tax credit award in for proof of address and entitlement. Is anyone claiming tax credits for her?

nope. we don't cos she dunt live here and they earn too much.
I will fill it in with the whole situation and let the EMA bods figure it all out.

YANBU.

Its based on the family income - and as she is resident with the GPs then they are her family for the purpose of claiming benefits. Tell them to apply from their address.

If you are on benefi?ts and give the child benefit to the 'wealthy inlaws' then you must also be stating that your daughter lives with you.

Isn't that called fraud as well!

Surely the point is, your daughter gets the EMA.

wasn't clear. There was no confusion with the CB and we gave it to in-laws, now they get it direct.
We still haven't got child number 2 to get the first child rate though. Still being sorted.
I told them about CTC and told them its about 10 pounds a week based on their income (did that entitledtoo).
They haven't done anything about it.

no confusion? Some confusion. Brain is cold.

Talked to dh and he is going to tell them to get on with it and stop involving us.

They are asking you to commit fraud.

They can sod right off. If you were caught, it'd be you paying it back, not them.

Still not sure why you dont seem to be thinking of how this affects you 16yr old dd?

ta for all the advice ladies.

doesn't affect my 16 yo at all. She's living somewhere where she gets heating and clothes and holidays. She's happy enough.

juicyjolly - the dd in question has left home, presumably of her own volition, to live with her GPs. OP cannot continue to claim any benefits for her, or use the family's financial circumstances to obtain EMA for her - as she is not resident with them. It would be criminally fraudulent to do so.

You say she is happy enough living with pil who say they wish their dg2 is dead!

They sound poisonous!

juicy, I don't think you have the whole story here, so reserve judgement for now eh?