To turn the television off or over when Carrie and Dave's Pop Shop comes on?

[PavlovtheCat]

You know, I don't even care if I am. I loathe it, more than pretty any other children's programme. Carrie makes me squirm, she looks so thin she will snap in half with the slightest move.

She is a twig, she is too skinny, her head is the wrong size for her size 4 legs and she cannot dance, or sing she has no charisma, and clearly has no rapour with children. It is the biggest money making prog I have ever seen. I wonder how many hours one afternoon they spent making it (oh, seeing as we are here, lets do a quick prog for cbeebies, earn ourselves some cash)

But, mostly, it is because she looks all wrong and I do not want my daughter watching her, thinking that is normal.

So there.

I once started a thread saying that I couldn't stand the programme and that I thought that Carrie was far too over sexualised for CBebbies (does the woman never close her legs? ). Even DH thinks that her makeup/attire is too 'grown-up' for CBeebies - I won't tell you his actual words as someone is bound to get offended.

Re: her weight. I do think that she dresses to emphasise her slight size and her makeup definitely does that too. I do have massive sympathy with anyone who has such a horrible condition and I'm not saying she can help her size, but there is no need to emphasise it on children's tv.

I am with you pavlov and totally agree with edam and LilRedWG.

My point was that if someone seems offended when you've been a bit, erm, emphatic, it's kindest to say 'oh, sorry, didn't realize, no offense intended,' I think.

WRT Carrie herself, I agree that her audience will think that her weight is deliberate and probably desirable. But I would have aimed my complaint at the execs who commissioned it I think.

I don't think she's particularly sexualized, though. Certainly not in comparison to the Hi-5 'girls' with their pouts and pushed out breasts and their husky 'baby' voices, which truly freak me .

We dont watch it either as V irritating.

1 question though, and might lighten the mood of the thread !! Why does she wear the same shirt and jeans in every programme ?

because they've shot the title sequence wearing a certain outfit, and the rest of the prog appears to follow on from the titles in real time, so she always has to wear the same (by now minging) jeans..
Whole series prob shot over 2 or 3 days, I think.

I agree, can't bear her the programme.

Hate her 'look how thin I am' clothes but above all, I hate her hair colour. (On her. I'm sure there are lots of MNers who dye their hair the exact same colour and look very nice.)

It's interesting that LilRG finds open legs over-sexualized. I think in jeans I find it sort of deliberately unsexualized, because it doesn't follow that 'be ladylike and cutesy and feminine and legs crossed' rule, iyswim.

I dislike the prog too, btw. Just didn't admire pavlov's response partic.

And not sure she has a responsibility to present tasteful hair colour options to her young fans!

Oh, and I have just noticed - thanks MN.

Pav, I'm with you. The worst piece of tat on television full stop let alone kids telly. What is the point of it?

I've never actually sat down and watched it and it makes my teeth itch!

We love My Neighbour Totoro - DH has bought the dcs a cuddley Totoro, a bento box and we get a calendar every year!

We're currently having a Big Cook Little Cook binge.

morningtownride - My Neighbour Totoro is the best, as is Howls Moving Castle but perhaps when DD is a bit older for than as some scary elements. There is another Ghibli Collection one - The Cat Returns, which I think is a sequel to MNT - I am getting that next too. I have seen the cuddly toys, they look fab, especially the pillows you can get!

Oh Wizard of OZ - yes, I need that one too!

Hmm. I think I'm out of step with MN towers on this one.

Although it would have been better expressed without the 'twit' bit (which presumably crosses the personal insult line), I don't think it was unreasonable to criticize the op for being unkind or judgmental. It's certainly no worse than many similar situations - when people make ill-advised judgements of SN kids, for example. I'm surprised that lowenergylightbulb's message was deleted.

People get very hurt when they feel that their (or their child's) disability - which Crohn's Disease is - has not been treated with the seriousness they feel it deserves, regardless of whether the offence was intentional, or accidental.

They tend to over-react, but in general we (and MN Towers, I think) cut them some slack because we want to show that we didn't mean to upset them and we don't wish to underplay the genuine upset they clearly feel.

onebatmother - but the poster in question never displayed that he/she was insulted personally or felt attacked, the response was insulting, I was also called a (dimwit for my spelling) with no justification. If I had called offence and it was stated, rather than a generalised comment I would have seen fit to apologise for offending remarks. And I posted an apology to Carrie should she feel offended, if she reading this. which was entirely relevant to the point you just made.

I like it.

Pavlov - oh yes the dc (2 & 3) have seen the whole Ghibli collection.

We only have the Japanese version with subtitles - couldn't stand the US 'Toadoro' pronunciation!

The Cat Returns has nothing to do with Totoro. It's about a girl who saves a cat prince and is then kidnapped to be his bride.

I highly recommend Spirited Away too, fantastic film!

Have to say I'm a really rather pissed off by many of the comments on here. I am skinny VERY skinny and its part of my physical make up. I have never been on a diet in my life and it REALLY pisses me off when people think that being skinny is not normal. For lots of people it is perfectly normal just as normal as being over weight.

To say that skinny people and people who have certain disabilities or diseases or other problems shoudl not be on tele is to my mind highly offensive.

hate that show but dd seems to like it.

carrie's shoes are too inappropriate for preschool tv.

But your apology to Carrie was possibly intended to inflame matters, pavlov? And lel's overreaction might well be taken as proof that she did feel personally offended. Or perhaps she just thought that you were being unpleasant about someone who's had a pretty rough time in life, and got angry.

TBH I don't think either side has behaved particularly .... admirably. But never mind, not the end fo the world.

Without getting into the argument about Carrie's jeans, I hate it. The songs are rubbish, and as the OP says they seem to have no rapport at all with the children. And the bits where they pass things through to 'you' on the other side of the camera are just stupid nonsense. Even the dopiest child would realise that the guitar doesn't come out of the TV, so in fact it actually destroys the magic in some way (magic ? Anyway...).

Have you noticed that the children are given different names for the show as well? They have a credit at the end that says 'Liam' was played by 'George Blah' or whatever. What's that all about?

Though I like the idea of 'inappropriate shoes for pre-school' .

I haven't read all the posts but I really don't like this programme because they don't engage with the children enough. It's all "me, me, me" compared to say "Boogie Beebies".