To think Jim Davidson is probably not the most enlightening contributor to a programme about political correctness and to want to explain in the most violent terms why the word Paki is not equivalent to the word Brit or Aussie?

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FFS.

Clive James, Radio 4. That moron Jim Davidson has me frothing at the mouth.

For anyone who genuinely doesn't understand why the term "paki" is not equivalent to the term "brit" or "aussie", it is because the term Brit or Aussie is merely a shortening of the words British or Australian, and neither word has ever carried any pejorative meaning.

The word Paki, otoh, was always, always used pejoratively. It was used indiscriminately to describe anyone from the Indian sub-continent - or even, anyone from anywhere east of Italy. If you were an Afghan, an Iraqui, an Indian, a Sri Lankan, you could be called a Paki. Hence, Paki is not merely a shortening of the term "Pakistani", it is a pejorative term for anyone with dark skin who is not of African or Caribbean descent.

OK? Got that? If someone could explain that to Jim Davidson while they're on their travels, I'd be grateful.

I thank you.

Yes I agree Morris - but that's why I was particularly wound up by Heffer saying this and it going completely unchallenged. Any proper examination of PC would have debunked it, but this wasn't a proper examination - it was giggling schoolboy stuff.

Gosh, I'd forgotten all about it until this thread came up and now I'm all outraged again.

I agree, Morris Zapp.

(a couple of years ago Lambeth nearly DID walk into this trap - worked up by all the various sprurious aspirations to 'PCness' a very very junior member of the council approved a leaflet which advertised 'winter lights' - immediate overblown furore including a massive attack by right wing christians on muslim groups and Islam generally - and the council immediately put out statement apologisiing f the whole thing, rescinding the leaflet and advertising 'Christmas'. I did actually see the offending leaflet, and was in Strategic Partnership - council / community - meetings with hysterical christian groups using it as a stick to beat Lambeth muslim orgs - AND meetings where the muslim groups totally refuted any demand for 'winterval' etc - so i know all this to be true)

You are so right MorrisZapp - My FIL is one of them (no guesses on their paper of choice!)

Didn't the Rightwing Press invent the term PC to quash 'liberal' attitudes?

JD is a complete wanker.

I can remember him saying he would move abroad if Labour ever got in power - that is one of the reaons I voted Labour!

I believe he now lives in Dubai - not far enough imo.

Seems like nobody really wants to give PC any kind of critical analysis, they just want to joke and to rail against it.

I wouldn't mind, but it gets used as a stick to hit people with who are either being perfectly reasonable, or when the issue isn't politics at all - ie jobsworthyness, or health and safety culture.

As for 'PC gone nad', the only madness I can see is that of people who can only read headlines but can't digest the small print.

Lol - I've just remembered another one.

There was a play/panto with the title 'Snow White and the Enchanted Forest' or something: cue mass hysteria in nasty paper about PC ruining our children's innocence, what's wrong with the word dwarf, my kids say dwarf and they are decent god fearing etc etc etc.

At the very bottom of the article it said 'The writer of the play said that she hadn't meant to be PC, she had to change the title because Disney Corp wouldn't let her use the one they own' - the writer was an elderly lady.

Yet the story was followed up with hundreds of outraged comments about PC - far more comments than those following articles about murder, war, the economy etc.

You don't know whether to laugh or cry!

I was half listening to that in my clssroom this morning and he did sound a twat in it.

Sorry, my post looks like I'm saying nobody here wants to analyse PC when of course, I mean the opposite.

Always a pleasure to enjoy company of intelligent ppl, have a lovely evening all.

Why is he still working? He is a vile man.

Jim Davidson is a vile idiot.

YANBU.

The post about the scout heckler made me literally LOL

">>The word Paki, otoh, was always, always used pejoratively

Piers Morgan was brilliant when he interviewed Jim Davidson recently, I thought he made him question his own integrity and he pointed out how out of date he had become and how with his talent(?) how come he could not move with the times like other comedians had.

Lovely man that Jim

I think he is enlightening - and I have great faith in Clive James to know what he is going - handing Davidson a rope to hang himself with.

How else can we see how replulsive racism is if you never witness it?

as an aside , my mate got propositioned by jd (allegedly) once

she said to him " i know you are a comedian but that isnt funny "

MorrisZapp - there is actually a lot of analysis of PC ariubd. It is possible to be liberal and not pandy to the worst of PC'nessm some of which is corrosive and bordering og totalitanian, thoughtcrimeism.

I'll set you a reading list...MT potters of to bookshleves

Hmm, I very much doubt if anyone's lived such a protected life that they've never witnessed the repulsiveness of racism MT.

Anyway, JD wasn't enlightening. He just talked guff which wasn't challenged.

Except Jim Davidson and others following peer pressure perhaps. But once a racist always a racist huh?

Rushing a bit, but a quick reply to those who asked me. 1986 isn't the place Jim and I come from. We were born in the 50s which is a place many here won't have visited. It was just a word to many of us and was yet to take on the extra meanings now apparently attached to it.

This is similar to another recent topic where people said that anyone who smacked a child was some kind of filthy degenerate. Presumably the posters in that were young too and somehow unaware that just a generation back everyone smacked children and it was perfectly normal. Parents did it and if they didn't then it was called neglect by all right thinking people. Schools did it with the total support of the elected government, Christians quoted the bible about sparing the rod and spoiling the child.

History is being rewritten over that and also over racism which wasn't much in our minds in that far off country I refer to (the past)

You could argue if you wanted that it shouldn't be used now, but this was about Jim saying that it used to be just a word where he came from and me saying that I came from there too and that he is telling the truth.

It doesn't matter what decade you were born in. You have to keep up with what is going on in modern times, in the Victorian times it was accepable to send children of 5 up to sweep chimneys but would it be acceptable now??? Of couse not. Times change, words and their connotations change. It's a disgraceful term nowadays and there is no justification for using it in modern day society regardless of where and when you were born.

Jim Davidson is a CUNT, there is no better word to describe him - and i really don;t think anyone will take him seriously.

A truly horrible man

He was on a program recently when i actually developed a grudging respect for Peirs Morgan - he ripped JD to shreds over his lies and racism. JD was visibly shaken and couldnt defend himself in any articulate form at all. I can't stand that PM program where he makes the celebrities squirm, im just not interested - but i rather wish i had recorded this one, it was lovely to watch the fucker squirm.

He is obviously trying to stage some sort of comeback, maybe bouyed by the racial tension that exists in this country just now? Fucking wanker, he will die a thousand deaths on stage so he will. TWUNT

Ihave to say I totally agree with every derogatory Jim Davidson commment on here. The man is a beer swilling, wife beating, ignorant idiot. I have often thought he is one of the best reasons for compulsory castration I have ever come across. Anything to stop him adding his genes to the collective gene pool. There are few people who I would happily push off a short pier and him and Roy Chubby Brown are two of them. I have about as much respect for JD as I had for Bernard Manning (and Bernard Manning was never a wife beater).

Oh yes, he is definitely one of them.

in the Victorian times it was accepable to send children of 5 up to sweep chimneys but would it be acceptable now??? Of couse not>>
I agree, but the question was "was it ever acceptable" and I'm saying "yes it was once"

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want Jim Davidson as a friend or even a neighbour, but I don't like to see the past rewritten.

Btw I havent read it yet, but someone tells me that there is a thread on MN today about someone who IS pakistani who likes the term. I shall go look when I got more time.