To want a couple of glasses of wine when pregnant??

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I am nearly 10 weeks pregnant and would like to drink a couple of glasses of wine (per week) as I did when i was pregnant with my other children. The current guidelines are not to drink at all which is different to what it used to be.

pinata it's mysogyny because there's no proof that not drinking is for the good of the child.

The time when it would make most difference is in the first 6 weeks of the foetus's growth, a time when most women don't even know they are pregnant and carry on drinking normally.

I don't see what's so difficult about seeing that advice based on resentment of women doing as they like, rather than scientific evidence, is mysogyny.

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"The time when it would make most difference is in the first 6 weeks of the foetus's growth, a time when most women don't even know they are pregnant and carry on drinking normally. "

to be fair, using this logic it makes very littel difference to the foetus for the first 2 weeks as the foetus hasn't implanted yet.

I'm not entirely sure that it is purely mysogyny (mainly because women are as, if not more, guilty of it) but I do think it is symptomatic of a culture which needs to apportion reason and blame to every negative situation. In the case of children this almost certainly always lands at the feet of the mother.

Any perceived flaw in a child, whether developmental, behavioural or diagnosed medical condition, has to be scientifically tracked back to some action (or lack of) on the mother's part. Did badly in GCSEs? Wasn't breastfed...... Autism? Must be either the MMR or alcohol in pregnancy? Miscarriaqe? Must have been all that diet coke?

In 99% of cases all of these factors are nothing more than coincidences and no more likely than black cats crossing the road, evil fairies or the wind changing.

But putting things down to misfortune, random circumstances or just plain how life is? Well that just won't do.

Point of order, fruitstick; women can be as guilty of misogyny as anyone else, as sites like this consistently prove...

KVC - you still haven't answered my question.

no, you are not being unreasonable

check out this site

www.eatingforpregnancy.org.uk/default.asp?sID=1216033352415

so, no evidence that 1 or 2 units are harmful, after 3 months, although they recommend that you totally abstain.

if you know anything about public health policy they have blanket bans on as they assume people are to stupid to understand, and that it is safer for the majority.

in the same way that a lot of inner city health visitors demand that you give new borns vitamin drops to counter an increase in rickets, despite the fact that evidence pioints to the fact that rickets is a disease of poverty, and is compounded by having dark skin so you don't process the vitamins you require from sunlight. so, despite all this, well of white women are requested to give vitamin drops, as it easier and safer for the majority is everyone is told, not just those at risk

so, go on, have a glass of red wine. lowers the blood pressure, enjoyable, and one unit is safe.

Lol at the idea that everyone spends hours sterilising their kids!

good point starlightmck.

I may have missed your point of course, but to me it seems similar to the fact that I would no sooner want to give up drinking a glass of wine with dinner if I don't have to, than give myself a self-imposed ban on chocolate for lent... being atheist (which many people I know do, and I think it very, very odd).
No reason(proof) for it, why do it to yourself. Just to prove you can? Nuts imo.

i read a good chunk of the rest of the thread, yes, and i get where you're coming from with the misogyny thing, but still PMSL - sorry. yes, lots of blame gets placed at the feet of mothers for random things as fruitstick says and i don't agree with that either, but when it comes to pregnancy, the guidelines are for women because women carry babies. turning it into a feminist issue is a bit far fetched IMHO - after all the RCM are surely mainly women

ok, you might all not sterilise, but most people do the best they can for their kids once they're out. why is it different while they're still inside?

nobody is up in arms about all the other things to avoid - it's only alcohol which is suddenly a right, something that could never be given up. what's so great about one glass of wine here and there that you can't avoid it just in case? and wouldn't you rather, if there was any problem at all with your child (god forbid), know that you had done everything you could? I know i wouldn't want a niggling doubt in my mind that my child is suffering in any way because of something i could have avoided

'when your baby is born you'll spend hours sterlising and protecting them from everything - why is it different when they're inside you?'

I never sterilised my nipples. I'm off the belief that life is for living and it's dirty to best to get on living it - dirt and all.

Like moondog, I'm also always surprised at how alcohol is singled out, but never shite chemicals in so-called 'food' products like aspartame or other artificial sweetners or colourings that are banned in some countries for being carinogens.

Pinata - you 'don't want a niggling doubt in [your]mind that [your] child is suffering in any way because of something [you] could have avoided...'

I, on the other hand, don't want mothers who are already coping with the specific challenges of raising a child with SN also to be torturing themselves that their circumstances are as a result of something they did or didn't do - particularly when there is no evidence to suggest this is the case.

Why risk it ?

I didn't drink while trying to concieve either. I also went on a really healthy diet loads of fruit, vedge etc.
I just wanted the best for my baby.

'Why risk it ?'

There's no hard evidence that there even IS a risk (binge drinking or heavy drinking excepted).

um, marmaduke - you do realise we're discussing pregnant women drinking, don't you? No one has actually suggested in utero wine quaffing for foetuses...

i am definitely with the moderate drinking/ no shite food mob. DM had a bottle of stout every night. I had a glass of wine once or twice a week in my 2nd and 3rd trimesters. But i didn't eat processed food or artificial additives. IMO they are much more likely to be harmful

Go adhead then drink up. You'll only have yourself to blame if your child is born with foetal alcohol syndrome.
There used to be no evidence that smoking was bad for you either.
You must know that it's not a great idea.
Do whatever your consience lets you.

Everything a pregnant woman consumes goes in to the foetus. Surely EVERYONE knows that ??

Everything a pregnant woman consumes goes in to the foetus. Surely EVERYONE knows that ??

Pinata, I was most definitely not making this a feminist issue (on the contrary) but was merely trying to highlight the tendancy to find something or someone to blame in every instance. Where babies are concerned it is obviously going to be the mother.

Mummyloveslucy, well done to you - I'm sure you gave your children a great start in life. Both of my children on the other hand were conceived in a haze of merlot. With DS1, I was on holiday for 2 weeks before I found out I was pregnant during which time I was drinking a bottle of wine a day, smoking and eating slightly warmed prawns (it was a holiday afterall). My midwife's response was 'my dear, if that was true there'd be very few healthy babies on this earth!'

But FFS, I came on this thread to defend my glass of wine a week and now you tell me I can't have broccoli ffs!! Looks like I'll have to switch back the the Quavers.