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To raise an eyebrow at dd's nursery?

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snickersnack · 16/07/2008 22:21

It's International Day at nursery next month. Lots of dancing, food and dressing up. Each room is given a country to learn about and "celebrate". DD's room has been given Zimbabwe. She's 3. What do you expect they may be learning?

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iBundle · 17/07/2008 10:15

tunisia interesting - visited carthage when i went there

nkweto · 17/07/2008 10:28

Maybe it is because I am pg, but I am finding this thread quite upsetting to read. As someone who's DS1 is partly from Zimbabwe, it is very sad to see that people feel that a whole culture, and heritage should be ignored due to the current political situation that is oppressing its own people.

Why should children learn about Zimbabwe, so that they can learn about the beauty of a culture, its music, food, wildlife etc and start to relate to that as fellow humans. So that when they are older and they hear about the terrible things that happen they relate to that situation thinking about the people and somewhere they know something about instead of some distant, theoretical place. Because it is important to know about other people.. so that when they are in trouble you actually feel touched by that and want to help. I am ranting now, so will stop...

Lionstar · 17/07/2008 10:29

I though from the very start I heard the sound of a can of worms opening. I think the thing I'm most uncomfortable with is the thought that all the current problems in the country would be kind of swept under the carpet to make some sort of acceptable, palatable version of the truth. I know they're only 3, I know most stuff would go over their heads (or be inappropriate for them), but I still can't feel comfortable with ignoring the plight of those poor people.

However I get what you're all saying about finding countries that don't have some kind of moral blemish, our own included. It is a dilemma.

ScottishMummy · 17/07/2008 10:41

But Zimbabwe is a vibrant,culturally rich culture.I have worked with lots of Zim's and they talk about home andd not all in terms of misery either. yes there are deep rooted polotical troubles.but dont right off finding out and exploring a whole set of people on basis of unstable political regime

my LO attends nursey too and i think this sounds like a VG idea.exploration of another country ,culture,food, history

snickersnack · 17/07/2008 10:59

This is very interesting. I honestly have mixed feelings about it. I want her to grow up with an understanding of different cultures. But I also want her to have an appreciation of how lucky she is to live where she does. I want her to have a fair picture of these places, that represents the truth of life in these countries, not a Disney-fied soft focus picture of them.

And that?s what worries me about this. Any of the hideous reality of life in Zimbabwe will be swept under the carpet, of course it will ? they?re 3 years old. They will certainly not go anywhere near the current political situation, and the nursery would be horrified at the suggestion that they might - it is about food, music, culture and geography. Of course they aren?t going to be telling 3 year olds about vote rigging, intimidation and torture. I'm uncomfortable with the idea of her learning about traditional food in Zimbabwe when children there are starving. And I don't imagine the typical 3 year old in Zimbabwe is having many laughs right now.

My strong initial reaction when I heard was that it was a strange choice, and everyone I've spoken to has shared that first reaction. I think she?s too young to have any lasting memory of the fact that they ?celebrated? Zimbabwe when she?s older, so the argument about making it a real place for her when she learns more when she?s older doesn?t apply, I don?t think ? she?ll have forgotten all about it in a few weeks apart from a vague impression. In which case, why Zimbabwe? Why not, as someone said, Botswana? Or Mauritius?

Any country in Africa, or anywhere else for that matter, has social issues ? of course it does, there?s nowhere in the world that is perfect. But the current regime in Zimbabwe is so very very horrible that I really think that it casts a huge shadow over anything else they might choose to say about it. I can absolutely sign up to the idea that there is more to a country than its government, and that Zimbabwe is more than Mugabe and his henchman. But I?d be equally taken aback if they?d chosen North Korea. It doesn?t HAVE to be Zimbabwe, there are plenty of other countries to choose from.

I don?t know if there is a member of staff there with connections ? not that I?m aware of but that doesn?t mean there isn?t someone. I can see that might explain why they chose it. I?ll certainly enquire next week, and will also find out which other countries have been selected ? we just got sent a letter home so I haven?t had a chance to question it yet.

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TheHedgeWitch · 17/07/2008 10:59

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FAQ · 17/07/2008 11:07

"To teach the children anything about Zimbabwe you'd have to cancel out the last 30 odd years."

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eidsvold · 17/07/2008 11:13

FAQ - my question was not actually addressed to you. I can appreciate where you are coming from and felt you along with others made valid points it was to those who were more horrified by the suggestion that a nursery celebrate international day with Zimbabwe.

I told dh about this and his response was that the nursery is not celebrating Mugabe - it was learning about and celebrating a culture.

FAQ · 17/07/2008 11:15

yes and the culture still EXISTS NOW¬

They still play their Zimbabwean music, eat Sadza, wear the same types of clothes, speak the same language, have the same landmarks (drink the same beer) as they did pre-independence.

The living conditions for many may have changed, but the culture is still there - pretty much unchaged.

TheProvincialLady · 17/07/2008 12:12

How about this:

Children try food, listen to music, have a go at dancing, learn a bit about where Zimbabwe is etc

Then the children are told that at the moment life is very hard for people who live in Zimbabwe due to a bad man who rules the country at the moment. But lots of people in Zimbabwe and abroad are trying to make him go away so that the people can live in peace and the country can prosper again.

Job done in my opinion. You haven't discounted the country, its country or its people, and you haven't glossed over the terrible conditions that people are living under at present. I think it is age appropriate.

TBH I would never shy away from telling my DS about the difficult things in the world, but I would want the information to be presented in context and in a suitable manner for his age.

SummatAnNowt · 17/07/2008 12:15

They're only 3 ffs!

But besides that, I think it's great, what better way to be able to empathise in the future with the suffering of a country but to have some understanding/connection to it in the form of having learnt something about it.

Then they're not just some people somewhere out but they're a song and a food and clothing and a language. Real people.

pointydog · 17/07/2008 18:48

"To teach the children anything about Zimbabwe you'd have to cancel out the last 30 odd years."

I've not kept up with this thread but that caught my eye. If you take that stance, then you'd have to cover the last 150 of so years at least and explain all about white people taking over Rhodesia and possibly even explain why Africa is full of countries with geometrical carved-up borders.

Has snicker asked if there's a Zimbabwe co0nnection? I bet there is.

pointydog · 17/07/2008 18:48

and I agree with summat

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