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A&E refusing to give more than paracetamol when I’m in horrific pain

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Wonderingmummy · Yesterday 16:15

I found out I’ve got gallstones, I need it out but I’ve been put on a waiting list. I’ve also just had a baby which can apparently trigger the attacks.

I had an attack 4 days ago, called 999. The worst pain I’ve ever been in, rolling around the floor at hospital. They refused to give me any more than paracetamol and I was just left to it. 6 hours later, it passed and I was told to go home.

I’m still thinking about it, and it’s annoyed me that more wasn’t done. Do you think I’m unreasonable to expect more? When the inevitable happens and I have another one, I already know my A&E will refuse to help and I want to advocate for myself better.

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Baconisawesome · Yesterday 21:13

If you don’t like the service the nhs offer then get your purse out and go private

GeorgeandTimmy21 · Yesterday 21:17

Ouch, you poor thing. I had similar when I had a miscarriage and was heamorrhaging. I'd already taken paracetamol at home so they said I couldn't have anything else for 4 hours. Then they gave me co codamol which barely touched the sides. Pain was horrendous, worse than labour with ds1 the year after.

Harry12345 · Yesterday 21:18

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 16:45

Someone explained that opiates are not the best drug for you.

I was given morphine when I attended a&e with gallstone attack and then prescription for cocodomol

Harry12345 · Yesterday 21:22

Only on mumsnet could people make out someone having the most painful medical emergency is unreasonable for a attending a&e and expecting adequate pain relief

NightHeron · Yesterday 21:23

Baconisawesome · Yesterday 21:13

If you don’t like the service the nhs offer then get your purse out and go private

There are no private A and Es!

QueenEthelTheMagnificent · Yesterday 21:23

Wonderingmummy · Yesterday 17:53

Asking for a friend… where is your A&E dept? Haha

It took a year from my ultrasound to having my gallbladder out last week.

The attacks are awful and you literally have to wait for the gallstone to move to stop the pain.

Go to your pharmacy and stock up on 400mg ibuprofen, co-codamol, rennies Windeez and pepto bismol.

Naturesoak · Yesterday 21:23

I was taken in an ambulance on NYE and offered morphine or gas and air, I chose gas and air….i was lucky to go private and had it out a month later. The pain was so severe I didn’t eat an ounce of fat for that month in case I had another. I hope you get your op soon!

Soontobe60 · Yesterday 21:23

Wonderingmummy · Yesterday 16:25

You go to A&E during prolonged gallbladder attacks due to infection risk and severe pain, not just because I fancy some morphine. If they don’t want to give stronger pain killers they need to do more than leave me to rot x

There are many people who take themselves off to A+E rolling in agony demanding morphine for very nebulous reasons. I’m assuming that as you say you were rolling about on the floor you hadn’t actually been admitted or seen by a doctor?

TeenLifeMum · Yesterday 21:27

Newbutoldfather · Yesterday 17:51

@TeenLifeMum ,

I looked up the protocol on AI and it seemed to agree with the two hospital doctors who have posted and the NICE guidelines.

They all say that, if first line pain relief isn’t sufficient, you need to use opioids (and maybe anti spasmodics).

Why do you find it impossible to believe that, in a busy A&E department, the OP wasn’t neglected and left in unnecessary pain? This seems quite common given the current state of the NHS.

You seem determined to not believe the OP. Why?

I’m always willing to believe poor care in A&E but i consented after reading nice guidance. I also think paracetamol is very underrated and misunderstood.

FortunateBanana · Yesterday 21:30

Arbourimage · Yesterday 16:22

A&E aren’t just going to give out morphine because the patient shows up asking for it.

Wow. Are you always this compassionate?

Skdkhvyvrhej · Yesterday 21:31

Are we saying opioid abusers are giving themselves gall stones so they can get opioids? Is that even possible?!

Or are we saying that suspected opioid abusers shouldn’t have pain relief even if they do genuinely have naturally occurring gallstones?

Skdkhvyvrhej · Yesterday 21:32

Also YANBU. This is why I never thrown out my old morphine.

LucieO · Yesterday 21:33

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 16:18

They're not going to give you morphine for months on end for gallstones and nor should they.

I was prescribed liquid morphine to take at home for when I had flare ups whilst waiting for my surgery.

PollyBell · Yesterday 21:39

FortunateBanana · Yesterday 21:30

Wow. Are you always this compassionate?

It is the truth, do people really think it happens because they were dared too or are bored?

MadinMarch · Yesterday 21:39

Thekormachameleon · Yesterday 17:01

why are you calling 999 and going to ED when you know what the issue is ? 999 is for life threatening emergencies.

paracetamol, codeine, buscopan, apple cider vinegar in hot water, heat pack and low fat diet to avoid attacks and just ride them out till they pass

Because you can bloody die of pancreatitis! I thought I was going to die after going to A&E and drifting in and out of consciousness. Didn't help that they told me it could get even worse before it got better and they asked if they could phone anyone. Admitted to a ward for 10 days on oramorph before going home and waiting about three weeks to have gall bladder removed. I wouldn't wish the pain on my worst enemy. Someone above mentioned not eating any fats at all until the operation and this is good advice.

Harry12345 · Yesterday 21:43

Glitterballofdreams · Yesterday 17:12

Morphine is highly addictive and only given for short periods of time. Generally isn’t dispensed for discharge anymore either.

My nephew was just discharged with it after getting tonsils out

Downtherushingglen · Yesterday 21:43

CliptyClop · Yesterday 19:31

This has blown my mind

It's not true. Waiting lists have not increased because of WLI's. Gallbladder removal is higher but that has not been confirmed to be due to WLI's either. In any case, it is the weight loss itself that may cause the issues, not the jabs. Anyone who loses alot of weight has an increased risk.

NightHeron · Yesterday 21:43

GeorgeandTimmy21 · Yesterday 21:17

Ouch, you poor thing. I had similar when I had a miscarriage and was heamorrhaging. I'd already taken paracetamol at home so they said I couldn't have anything else for 4 hours. Then they gave me co codamol which barely touched the sides. Pain was horrendous, worse than labour with ds1 the year after.

Yeah, I totally agree. I had four miscarriages - every one was just as painful as labour, because the contractions were exactly the same!

Blackoutmaybe · Yesterday 21:51

Soontobe60 · Yesterday 21:23

There are many people who take themselves off to A+E rolling in agony demanding morphine for very nebulous reasons. I’m assuming that as you say you were rolling about on the floor you hadn’t actually been admitted or seen by a doctor?

Indeed there are, but if you aren’t a “frequent flier” most A&Es will give you relevant medication for your pain level. AFTER you’ve been seen by a Dr. And yes, they do literally leave you rolling around on the floor before you see the Dr/get given anything.

countrylifeorcitylife · Yesterday 21:56

Sartre · Yesterday 16:18

They only give you paracetamol after a c-section so it doesn’t really surprise me.

Unless you ask for something stronger but yeah it’s ridiculous and you shouldn’t have to ask for something more

ByFirmShaker · Yesterday 22:06

Sartre · Yesterday 16:18

They only give you paracetamol after a c-section so it doesn’t really surprise me.

Came on to say this too 😂

DuchessofWinchester · Yesterday 22:18

I came into a&e screaming, wailing and doubling over literally unable to walk, barely able to form a sentence through my screams of agony, from a botched NHS abortion. I didn't wait in the queue at all and they put me on gas and air and IV morphine immediately. I wasn't hamming up the drama or anything like that, I really was begging the doctors to kill me it was so fkn bad.

I guess the squeaky wheel gets the grease....

Notasbigasithink · Yesterday 22:28

Thekormachameleon · Yesterday 17:01

why are you calling 999 and going to ED when you know what the issue is ? 999 is for life threatening emergencies.

paracetamol, codeine, buscopan, apple cider vinegar in hot water, heat pack and low fat diet to avoid attacks and just ride them out till they pass

Because the pain is so bad that people think they are dying ffs!

Spiffingdarling88 · Yesterday 22:29

Sartre · Yesterday 16:18

They only give you paracetamol after a c-section so it doesn’t really surprise me.

Really, they put a pain relief up my butt - no idea what it was but it definitely wasn't paracetamol

AverageWhiteShark · Yesterday 22:32

Weeelokthen · Yesterday 20:30

It's such a huge problem in the UK, it's mostly a result of our poor diets, isn't it, sadly

Not in my case, I was in my 50s, heathy, fit, not overweight, teetotal etc.