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To think women should prioritise being equally yoked when choosing a partner?

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ThisLimeMoose · Yesterday 07:50

As a woman, I firmly believe that if you don’t have children, you should prioritise dating a man who doesn’t have children. If you’re financially stable, you should be looking for a man who is equally financially stable. The same applies to emotional maturity, ambition, lifestyle and general circumstances.

I think far too many women enter relationships where they’re taking on responsibilities, complications or burdens that they wouldn’t otherwise have, simply because they’ve been encouraged to believe that love should be enough. Stay equally yoked in all things and I genuinely believe you’d avoid a significant proportion of the relationship problems we regularly see discussed on here.

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brownbootsandhats · Yesterday 08:35

I think I’d rather be the farmer than than farm animal

ilovesooty · Yesterday 08:35

ThisLimeMoose · Yesterday 08:04

Yes, equally yoked. It’s a fairly well-established expression meaning compatible or appropriately matched. What’s confusing about it?

Why couldn't you say that then? It can't be that well established if so many people have reacted to it.

grownasswoman · Yesterday 08:35

The thought police are out in full force today.

Who determines a word or expression can only be used by a certain group of people?

friedaklein · Yesterday 08:36

Just replace the word yoked with matched, everyone.

IdleGossip · Yesterday 08:41

It's a clunky phrase but I totally get what the OP is getting at.

You stand a better chance of a successful relationship if you choose to be with someone who is on the same page as you in regards to attitude to money, having children, lifestyle, crime, travel, life goals. All the big stuff which can cause huge issues if you are the sort of person who works full time and saves money, and you are living with someone who can't keep a job and never has any cash.

CandidHedgehog · Yesterday 08:42

The phrase "equally yoked" comes from 2 Corinthians 6:14 in the New Testament, where the Apostle Paul writes: "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers" (or "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers"in the King James Version) (taken from Google but I’ve checked the quote).

It very much relates religion and not engaging with ‘unbelievers’ and that is how it is used today by the religious fundamentalists who use it regularly.

It comes from using a double yoke on two animals of equal ability and strength.

Before you continue to Google Search

https://www.google.com/search?kgmid=%2Fm%2F05crg&q=New+Testament

HappyViewer · Yesterday 08:42

My DH are so happily unyoked even after 30 plus year of happy marriage we are practically scrambled eggs.

TheSoapyFrog · Yesterday 08:44

Tinyterrier · Yesterday 08:17

This reads like it’s been written by an AI (I don’t think it has, I’m just making a point) that is very skilled at giving logical, practical advice, which may well work…if it didn’t completely ignore all the things that make us human!! Like emotion, attraction, and love. I assume you’re a human, not an AI, in which case, how can you be so naive? Human relationships are far more complex that that

Tbh it sounds more like an isolated fundamentalist Christian cult has just discovered technology and is trying to spread the word, but fucked up by not realising that the vernacular isn't the same in the outside world.

Flipperthepriest · Yesterday 08:44

Is it Christian nationalist? The only people I've ever seen say it are black Americans.

That said, I think the point is more interesting than the phrasing. And for me the answer is, it depends. I met DH quite young so we weren't thinking much about this kind of thing, although arguably we were equally yoked then since our net worths (fuck all) were identical. If I were to find myself single now, and given that I've got DC, I'd have to think a lot more practically rather than just this one is funny, nice and there's physical chemistry.

Betterversionofme · Yesterday 08:45

A bit yes, a bit no.
It's hard to work together if one parent values sitting at the kitchen table and listening to their 7 years old about school playground drama between kids and who said what to whom, that someone stole a pin with a pretty head from display board, for an hour or more, every day. Not even forcefully turning conversation to 'academic' stuff. In all that time learning that they started counting in 6ths and got the kid to 'explain' 😉 what he means. Not even doing anything else 'useful' in the kitchen. Just sitting at the table.
Other parent insists the child must do an instrument to have a better chance to get to a particular school later on. And drama. And a sport. And something else. That would be hard.
Outlook on life, what's important to each would matter to me, how they relate with other people matters to me. Character matters. Beliefs matter.
Current financial situation less so. Formal education less so. General circumstances less so.

YouHaveAnArse · Yesterday 08:45

D1BC · Yesterday 08:35

I think you both need to bring things to the relationship that are equivalent but they don’t need to be the same. It would be a sad and boring world where a brilliant research scientist couldn’t date a hedgie because she didn’t earn the same.

I would love to date a hedgehog. Although they can be prickly at first.

friedaklein · Yesterday 08:45

IdleGossip · Yesterday 08:41

It's a clunky phrase but I totally get what the OP is getting at.

You stand a better chance of a successful relationship if you choose to be with someone who is on the same page as you in regards to attitude to money, having children, lifestyle, crime, travel, life goals. All the big stuff which can cause huge issues if you are the sort of person who works full time and saves money, and you are living with someone who can't keep a job and never has any cash.

Yes. Love is not enough. Women are sold the idea that it is.

GeneralPeter · Yesterday 08:47

CandidHedgehog · Yesterday 08:42

The phrase "equally yoked" comes from 2 Corinthians 6:14 in the New Testament, where the Apostle Paul writes: "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers" (or "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers"in the King James Version) (taken from Google but I’ve checked the quote).

It very much relates religion and not engaging with ‘unbelievers’ and that is how it is used today by the religious fundamentalists who use it regularly.

It comes from using a double yoke on two animals of equal ability and strength.

Even taken in the religious sense I think this is good advice (and I’m an atheist).

If my wife believed that our children’s souls would be deprived from god for all eternity unless they did X, Y, Z, then that should be the top priority over everything else.

How would it not be?

If I thought my children were about to run out in front of a truck it would be psychopathic to treat that as just one priority to be weighed up against others, agree to split the difference from time to time. Maybe we let them run in front of the truck every alternate week.

HelpMyBlackLabradorVotesReform · Yesterday 08:49

Banoffeepie29 · Yesterday 08:07

It's a biblical term. It originally meant not to marry unbelievers.

Its a an agricultural term. If your horses weren't equally yoked (the yoke is the bit that attached the horses to plough) the plough verges off to the side.

Stompythedinosaur · Yesterday 08:50

Well, I prefer an equal partnership based on live and free choice, rather than anyone being yoked to anyone. It's a weird way to see relationships.

KitsyWitsy · Yesterday 08:50

I've never heard of this phrase and considered myself pretty well read and educated! Guess not!

Anyway, I don't believe love is a choice. If it was, my partner wouldn't be thousands of miles away. I'm not sure if we're equally 'yoked'. He has a good job and I make tiny amounts doing this and that but I do have more money saved and completely own my own house so maybe it equals out.

friedaklein · Yesterday 08:53

I believe love can definitely be a choice. I would choose not to get yoked to Russell Brand, for instance.
But more seriously, when dating I would only date men as equally educated and ambitious- not rich- as myself. People can call that snobby but it's worked out.

RisingSunn · Yesterday 08:53

ilovesooty · Yesterday 08:35

Why couldn't you say that then? It can't be that well established if so many people have reacted to it.

People are having a fit because she used a term that is known in Christianity....I'm sure if it was any other belief system..they wouldn't have batted an eyelid.

GeneralPeter · Yesterday 08:54

Stompythedinosaur · Yesterday 08:50

Well, I prefer an equal partnership based on live and free choice, rather than anyone being yoked to anyone. It's a weird way to see relationships.

It’s not that weird, especially with children. You take on a lot of responsibilities to them and others. I think it would be odd to want to do that with someone who saw it as a ‘live and free choice’ whether to fulfil those.

HumanOfTheWeek · Yesterday 08:55

I find it a fairly normal turn of phrase (though I wasn't aware of the current connotations so grateful to Kate for sharing those).
We do need people to use expressions that aren't in our own vocabularies if we want to keep learning new words throughout our lives, though, so it's strange to attack people for using an unfamiliar word.

CandidHedgehog · Yesterday 08:55

The ironic thing is that this phrase is used by most people who use it (the said religious fundamentalists) only in regard to religion. The expectation is that there will be a ‘provider’ husband and SAHM wife (so unequal financially, educationally and in the role in the marriage). Think tradwives (and yes, I know that influencing as a trad wife is a job but that’s not what the women in question claim).

OriginalSkang · Yesterday 08:58

ThisLimeMoose · Yesterday 08:04

Yes, equally yoked. It’s a fairly well-established expression meaning compatible or appropriately matched. What’s confusing about it?

Its cringe speak

If you want to be taken seriously, use English seriously 😉

brownbootsandhats · Yesterday 08:58

HumanOfTheWeek · Yesterday 08:55

I find it a fairly normal turn of phrase (though I wasn't aware of the current connotations so grateful to Kate for sharing those).
We do need people to use expressions that aren't in our own vocabularies if we want to keep learning new words throughout our lives, though, so it's strange to attack people for using an unfamiliar word.

It wasn’t that the word was unfamiliar

it’s just I have never heard it used about humans in a positive context - the meaning is very different to the one I have come across. It implies enforced work.

that may be because words do evolve especially in different locations

but the careful use of words can be used to influence and manipulate people. Because Words play to emotions.

5128gap · Yesterday 08:58

Probably more important to prioritise decency and shared goals, values and attitudes. If you have that you can work through circumstantial differences.

HappyViewer · Yesterday 08:59

HumanOfTheWeek · Yesterday 08:55

I find it a fairly normal turn of phrase (though I wasn't aware of the current connotations so grateful to Kate for sharing those).
We do need people to use expressions that aren't in our own vocabularies if we want to keep learning new words throughout our lives, though, so it's strange to attack people for using an unfamiliar word.

I agree, I love learning new words and watching language evolve.