Andy Burnham is just a dumbed down version of Starmer

[WarmHiker]

Just caught a snippet of some confident sounding commentator on tv repeating a line that you tend to hear in all news programmes. That Burnham is personable and has charisma. That line is starting make me think that as a country, the tyranny of low expectations has really hit a new low.

First thing’s first, when did saying ‘isn’t it’ after every sentence pass for charisma. Is the bar for charisma really that low.

Second, the guy’s failed upwards into a job that he’s clearly not fit for. His answer to everything is ‘Booses’.

The economy is on fire, buses. Immigration is out of control, buses. Crime is a problem, buses. We have the most expensive energy, buses. Industry and businesses are shutting down, buses.

He’s basically a small town mayor who accidentally became the prime minister because the quality of talent in parliament is non existent. Manchester is not a small town but running buses in Manchester doesn’t make you fit to be a PM. He was a failed health secretary, failed to be Labour leader twice when he actually had to have proper fight, somehow grifted his way to a mayor job for a decade. And yes his predecessors were any better. But why all the fawning over Burnham.

AIBU to think that we are headed towards a point soon when the public turns on him. He’s utterly out of his depth and the false shine will wear off in no time. A General election is looming.

All in all, so sad to see that this is the calibre of person at the top of government. What has happened to this country that no one smart wants to go anywhere politics.

Why don’t people want to go into politics? Ooh I dunno. Perhaps because the population, with no discernible talent themselves, moan like fuck constantly about whoever gets in and isn’t prepared to give them a fair chance without howling for a general election every 2 minute?

On the money.

Or we could read it as him not being creative enough about encouraging / incentivising innovation. How about focusing on growth and stability, encouraging innovation that reduces environmental harm, and finding other ways to grow the economy, rather than looking for more ways to get at the money and property of people who have lived within their means?

Glad that era was seen as so simplistically for you.

The last Tories were chaos because a) Boris & Truss b) a massive bloody pandemic. I would give them a shot again under Kemi over Labour in a heartbeat.

Thanks for such an insightful, well articulated perspective - I don’t think I agree, especially on devolution, because I think decentralisation is long overdue and I do believe that ending the culture of regional leaders having to go to cap in hand to Whitehall will ultimately improve regional productivity and growth. But I can see where you’re coming from.

I’m still surprised you’d want an election now, though, because from I understand the signs are all that Burnham would win it, just with a reduced majority - potentially leading to more stasis and division.

What you’re asking for is a wizard with a magic wand.

I find that more than a little disingenuous coming from you. You will have seen enough of my posts to know that is not true.

Unfortunately they’re in short supply so we have to make do with human beings doing their best.

There still needs to be a bar and it should not be the floor.

I like some of his ideas. But I don’t like some of the others.
Replaced Starmer as he can communicate well. Starmer could not. And Reform were taking a significant lead. However ;
Nobody voted for him. It is a problem for Labour and for him that this is the case. He does not really have a mandate because of that.
He has a huge problem with the budget. Get that wrong and people will blame him. Not the Chancellor who he spitefully appointed knowing he had left his defence role with Starmer over the lack of funding for defence.
The lack of a substantial team is a problem. There are a handful who seem remotely competent. A handful.
He took back Rayner. A huge mistake. She might appeal to a few. But it is a few.
No10 North was an error. He has to stop reverting to seeking to please only Northern voters.
Apparently in the budget millions will be set aside for the North to seek to compete for the Olympics. That will not go down well.
We do not have the money Andy. Priorities.
Talking of which. Google box ? I do not expect my PM to do that.
So he needs to calm down. And focus on things that matter.
I have just read his latest comments on the Freedom of Movement. Which I disagree with.
His tinkering with Europe without a mandate is an issue. By all means stronger links for defence.
Budget next week. Time will tell.

Kemi who lied that she was offered a scholarship to Stanford University.

Same sleaze, different Tory.

It's almost as though Labour MPs never hide anything - job titles, for instance.

Still with this. Surely there are bigger fish to fry. Burnham not going back to the EU at Makerfield, to go back on it a few months later.

I do agree EU free movement is not viable.

Can’t stand him
he’s nothing but an absolute wet wipe

he lied to his constituents that he wouldn’t re open the Brexit debate and he has within 4 months

so for that alone he can’t be trusted

and all the stuff about social care and not having to sale the family home is bullshit

it’s personal care at home only
if you need a care home you will have to pay for it

he’s just banking on people being to thick to understand what he said
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I would love to hear from the many who think he hasn’t done much or can’t stand him what they would like to see from a new PM.

Ultimately, it takes time to institute new policy and change direction. Government is more like an oil tanker than a sports car. You can pull the levers, but the response can take months or even years.

You don’t have to love his policies; politics is about choice and compromise. What I like about Burnham is that he has clearly laid out his ideas and he admits that there are difficult choices to be made.

We don’t rule by executive order here, for better or for worse.

They haven't announced the social care policies yet, what's your source for saying it won't include care homes?

Well what did you expect him to be??

Anyone who thinks after all of the evidence, the enquiries and actually living through that time, that Johnson was a good PM worthy of defending knows nothing of politics in my opinion.

Other than Truss he has to be the worst PM we've ever had, followed closely by Sunak.

They used covid as an excuse to enrich family and friends, mismanaged the crisis so more people died and failed to follow their own laws to the point 2 of the 3 received police cautions while in office

There’s some info here

‘The new system will include personal care, helping with things like eating, bathing and using the toilet.’

‘The service will not cover bed and board, for which existing means-tested council contributions will remain.’

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-minister-andy-burnham-sets-out-plans-for-a-new-national-care-service

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-minister-andy-burnham-sets-out-plans-for-a-new-national-care-service

The service will not cover bed and board, for which existing means-tested council contributions will remain. Councils will continue to exclude the value of a home from financial assessments where a partner or dependent relative lives there, and deferred payment agreements will remain available to help eligible people avoid having to sell their home during their lifetime to meet care costs.

Exactly
you will still have to pay if your in a care home
just like you do now
deferred payments ( just like now )

if it’s similar to Scotland you will get the personal care and nursing care for free worked out at about 370 a week if you need both
but your still going to pay for bed and board which will be thousands

I agree with your other post on spinning lies re Brexit and social care. Makerfield plus he knows that gran story will lead some to believe care homes are included.

And why wouldn’t you? You have to pay for those things in your own home.

Do you agree that there are huge structural problems and issue with waste within central and local government. If so, how do you see decentralisation working in practice? There is already ample evidence of weaknesses (PFI, Carillion, HS2 etc) in public sector management, contract negotiation, delivery and risk control/ governance, with taxpayers picking up the tab for huge costs. Much needed money which could have been deployed elsewhere. I would be surprised if anyone can prove that extending poorly exercised powers, with weak governance, to more areas improves them or reduces costs.

I don't want an election but many of Labours policies allow more the costs of personal choice (parenting, health, worklessness) to be passed on to those who are working, spending and saving towards minimising their costs to the State both now and in their latter years.

I don't want an election but I would settle for a hung parliament, over having ordinary workers and those trying to better their situation hung out to dry.

Yes but the way he’s spinned it is that you won’t have to sell the “family home “ if you need care

but you will because the care homes will still
charge for accommodation and board
good luck with getting any change out off 1200 a week

Perhaps Burnham did not realise how badly we need the monies that Brexit has cost us until he took the helm. Even the most minimal estimates from OBR are that we have incurred a permanent decrease of 4% in the GDP. The National Bureau of Economic Research says the Treasury is losing £65-90 billion of revenue annually in consequence.

The loss to the Treasury is, on average, about 2/3 of what it costs to service Britain’s debt each year, and between 1/4 and 1/3 of the primary budget for NHS England. Everyone with a mortgage and many with health problems feels the consequences, or will shortly.

About 57% consistently say that leaving the EU was a mistake and 65% say the economic consequences have been negative. Arguably thinking about how to mitigate this damage is the responsible way forward.