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What is going on with Andy Burnham's social media?

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msagent · 20/10/2026 19:18

I swear every post I see is following a formula:

  • personal anecdote
  • link to current issue
  • why this means I understand you
  • how I'm going to change the world
  • join us in doing so

The way they are written makes me cringe. Almost poetic and overly emotive. Maybe it just doesnt work on me.

Anyone else just want some normal?

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MerryAquaKoala · 22/10/2026 13:16

DraigCymraeg · 22/10/2026 13:10

They've had 14 years to come up with answers.

Yes and 2020-2024 was basically Covid nightmare - for which we were the first European country to have vaccination, enabled by not being in the EU. By far. Some people forget what a relief that was and how effective that was. Conveniently so.

MerryAquaKoala · 22/10/2026 13:19

Much like they forget that it was the Conservatives who brought in the first NHS Free Health Care for all paper in 1944.

Which was then copied and updated by Labour, as they won the post war election. Kicked out pretty pronto after that though, for obvious reasons. They never stay in power for long.

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 13:19

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 22/10/2026 13:15

I try not to get drawn into too many political threads, but I think I just find some of the criticisms of Andy Burnham so baffling, and so counter to my own perception that I find it hard not to question the thinking.

But constantly engaging on here is probably not the most productive use of my one wild and precious life!

Well your reasoned and factual posts cheer me right up so thank you.

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 13:20

MerryAquaKoala · 22/10/2026 13:19

Much like they forget that it was the Conservatives who brought in the first NHS Free Health Care for all paper in 1944.

Which was then copied and updated by Labour, as they won the post war election. Kicked out pretty pronto after that though, for obvious reasons. They never stay in power for long.

Not that again. 🙄

MerryAquaKoala · 22/10/2026 13:23

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 13:20

Not that again. 🙄

😂Don't like it do you.. I understand why.

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 13:27

MerryAquaKoala · 22/10/2026 13:23

😂Don't like it do you.. I understand why.

I’m bored with it. Got anything new?

Bloozie · 22/10/2026 13:29

He's a writer. He has an English degree and started his career as a journalist.

I don't believe he's putting anything on - it's genuinely who he is.

And yes, I find it annoying, but mostly because his written posts are all so bloody long.

I'm also still very much on the fence about him as PM.

But I am also admiring of the way he is relentless in his social media, and connecting with lots of different audiences in lots of different ways. His facebook posts go on forever. His TikToks are genuinely on trend - he has a great team supporting him there.

He is everyone's prime minister, and he's trying.

I am proud of myself for writing this because yesterday's Jackdaw news made me want to fire him into the sun. But credit where credit is due. He is communicating effectively on so many levels.

Barrydoughnut · 22/10/2026 13:32

I like him and I like Badenoch. My impression is they both want the country to function better for everyone, they “just” have a different view on what levers to pull to make that happen. I think the standard of political debate js really diminished though. MPs asking questions in parliament is more about getting a clip to put on their social media afterwards than engaging in proper debate.

Fast800goingforit · 22/10/2026 13:37

DraigCymraeg · 22/10/2026 13:10

They've had 14 years to come up with answers.

Incorrect. They only found the true extent of the hole in the public finances after coming to power. It's not as simple as unpicking each prior decision and changing it - there are cumulative effects over time.

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 22/10/2026 13:42

Barrydoughnut · 22/10/2026 13:32

I like him and I like Badenoch. My impression is they both want the country to function better for everyone, they “just” have a different view on what levers to pull to make that happen. I think the standard of political debate js really diminished though. MPs asking questions in parliament is more about getting a clip to put on their social media afterwards than engaging in proper debate.

I tend to agree with this - certainly in terms of rhetorical flair and communication skills, I think they are the best leaders either party has had for quite some time. They’re both charismatic, both intelligent and both prepared to engage with big political ideas. I do hope between them they might raise the standard of debate in the country.

I also think you’re on to something @Bloozie about the fact that Andy Burnham clearly does love language and writing. It certainly showed in his (IMO excellent) conference speech.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 22/10/2026 13:42

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 22/10/2026 13:05

I don’t think these critiques are quite fair, TBH.

When Andy Burnham campaigned in the Makerfield by-election, he pledged not to "re-run old Brexit arguments" or to push immediately rejoining the EU—and he has kept that promise. He isn’t arguing to rejoin right now – he’s talking about having an honest, pragmatic conversation about what relationship with the E.U is going to be best for the economy going forward. I saw a segment with Beth Rigby on Sky talking to people in Makerfield about this and lots of the people she spoke to were supportive of the Prime Minister over this.

As for the Russian interference thing, the Chief of MI5 confirmed the Prime Minister was correct and that there had been attempts by Russia to disrupt our democracy over Brexit, even if those attempts ultimately failed to change the final result. I do understand the argument against talking up Russia’s propaganda, but on the other hand so many people are in denial that it happens at all, that it feels a bit of a catch-22, and I do think we have to be clear-eyed about who is seeking to sow division in our communities and why.

As for the story about his Gran, I think it’s incredibly unfair to label him telling a deeply personal story in order to show his commitment to reforming social care as dishonest. A lot of people understand the Prime Minister’s position perfectly – and many people (myself included) feel, like he seems to, that if their loved ones had had properly funded, good quality personal care at home they would never have needed residential care – and therefore wouldn’t have had to lose their savings or their homes.

As for the idea that he has “no policies to speak of", I just don’t think that’s correct – reforming social care is a policy, ending the ban on public water ownership is a policy, creating the Great British Grid to accelerate energy infrastructure is a policy, launching a massive housebuilding programme is a policy. You may have critiques of those policies, but to say they don’t exist feels odd.

That is, with respect, complete sophistry.

Of course he said what he did knowing what it meant and how it would be understood, as he calculated. He - and you - are trying to squeeze through contrived microscopic semantic gaps.

Another of his fibs was the ‘reallocation’ of digital ID money against VAT on electricity (incidentally, for 6 months and not in NI) which his own party (Darren Jones) called a falsehood because digital ID never had any money earmarked.

None of his (very few) ‘big things’ are policies, at least yet. They’re just warm sounding ideas and promises. Any politician can say “I will create wealth, prosperity and look after the needy”, but that’s just political jabber, not policy. Burnham isn’t selling policies but (dishonest) jabber.

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 22/10/2026 13:49

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 22/10/2026 13:42

That is, with respect, complete sophistry.

Of course he said what he did knowing what it meant and how it would be understood, as he calculated. He - and you - are trying to squeeze through contrived microscopic semantic gaps.

Another of his fibs was the ‘reallocation’ of digital ID money against VAT on electricity (incidentally, for 6 months and not in NI) which his own party (Darren Jones) called a falsehood because digital ID never had any money earmarked.

None of his (very few) ‘big things’ are policies, at least yet. They’re just warm sounding ideas and promises. Any politician can say “I will create wealth, prosperity and look after the needy”, but that’s just political jabber, not policy. Burnham isn’t selling policies but (dishonest) jabber.

I genuinely don’t think it’s sophistry - and judging by the people Beth Rigby spoke to in Makerfield, I don’t think a lot of red wall leave voters will either. I think at this stage, most people genuinely just want the best relationship with the EU for the economy and want politicians who are prepared to be pragmatic to get there.

Of course, he’s still a politician and politicians will present information in accordance with whatever message they’re selling - just look at the Conservatives today, completely warping the ONS crime stats to suit their position. I’m not pretending Andy Burnham is uniquely above all that, but I certainly don’t think he’s uniquely guilty of it either.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 22/10/2026 14:17

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 22/10/2026 13:49

I genuinely don’t think it’s sophistry - and judging by the people Beth Rigby spoke to in Makerfield, I don’t think a lot of red wall leave voters will either. I think at this stage, most people genuinely just want the best relationship with the EU for the economy and want politicians who are prepared to be pragmatic to get there.

Of course, he’s still a politician and politicians will present information in accordance with whatever message they’re selling - just look at the Conservatives today, completely warping the ONS crime stats to suit their position. I’m not pretending Andy Burnham is uniquely above all that, but I certainly don’t think he’s uniquely guilty of it either.

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He’s certainly not uniquely guilty and there are plenty of criticisms to be made about politicians in other parties about honesty (and about other things). Labour MN posters have spent years doing exactly that, and still do, as this thread shows.

But Burnham is the PM (after a coup) and presents himself as a straight-talking, reliable man of the people. I’m just saying that he’s as bad a phoney, a schemer, a liar and a ruthless shit as any that have gone before him. I’m sure many of his Labour colleagues and ex-colleagues would agree with me.

He’s probably easy company though. I’d rather have him round for dinner than I would Starmer. I’d disregard any political statement he made, though, as being almost certainly untrue, and I’d count the spoons afterwards.

EasternStandard · 22/10/2026 14:20

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 22/10/2026 13:15

I try not to get drawn into too many political threads, but I think I just find some of the criticisms of Andy Burnham so baffling, and so counter to my own perception that I find it hard not to question the thinking.

But constantly engaging on here is probably not the most productive use of my one wild and precious life!

Of course not everyone feels as you do and they might feel similarly in return re those who back Labour, whether it’s Burnham now or was Starmer.

Obviously not everyone feels the same about a politician.

EasternStandard · 22/10/2026 14:21

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 22/10/2026 11:55

One example is that he told the electorate in Makerfield - an area that voted Leave - when he wanted their votes that he wouldn’t “re-run Brexit arguments”. And that’s exactly what he’s done.

Another is that he very clearly said that Russia had interfered with the Brexit vote. Which was then embarrassingly slapped down and he did a clumsy reverse.

His care service statement about his gran is appallingly dishonest.

The misleading self-promotion he has gone in for with disabled bus passes, petrol pricing on Google maps and the misuse of the urgent alert system are all also very bad, but probably fit within the ‘cynical politician’ bracket that applies to many of them.

The criticism of his policies is that he doesn’t have any to speak of. He’s all about buses and parking fines.

And yes these make sense. Whereas the pp might refute each.

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 22/10/2026 14:22

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 22/10/2026 14:17

He’s certainly not uniquely guilty and there are plenty of criticisms to be made about politicians in other parties about honesty (and about other things). Labour MN posters have spent years doing exactly that, and still do, as this thread shows.

But Burnham is the PM (after a coup) and presents himself as a straight-talking, reliable man of the people. I’m just saying that he’s as bad a phoney, a schemer, a liar and a ruthless shit as any that have gone before him. I’m sure many of his Labour colleagues and ex-colleagues would agree with me.

He’s probably easy company though. I’d rather have him round for dinner than I would Starmer. I’d disregard any political statement he made, though, as being almost certainly untrue, and I’d count the spoons afterwards.

Thanks for engaging with such good humour - it’s interesting to hear a different point of view, and even though I don’t think there’s much we’re likely to agree on in the world of politics, this really made me smile, “I’d rather have him round for dinner than I would Starmer…. and I’d count the spoons afterwards”

MerryAquaKoala · 22/10/2026 15:03

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 13:27

I’m bored with it. Got anything new?

Of course you are. That totally figures. It's what happens when a person is confronted and has immediate cognitive dissonance. Human nature. You're not alone!

hedgeknight · 22/10/2026 16:34

Maybe someone can remind the Tories next time they underfund the NHS.

The ECHR was another of their initiatives that they are now abandoning.

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 16:45

MerryAquaKoala · 22/10/2026 15:03

Of course you are. That totally figures. It's what happens when a person is confronted and has immediate cognitive dissonance. Human nature. You're not alone!

Amateur psychology is also boring.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 22/10/2026 16:47

hedgeknight · 22/10/2026 16:34

Maybe someone can remind the Tories next time they underfund the NHS.

The ECHR was another of their initiatives that they are now abandoning.

The ECHR was another of their initiatives that they are now abandoning.

So what? There are many voices saying we should suspend or leave the ECHR or repeal the HRA. Those voices include Lord Sumption (ex Justice of the Supreme Court) and Jack Straw.

The ECHR was not intended by its drafters to be applied as it is now and the ECtHR is very different to its original conception. People recognise that. It’s not bad to reappraise the ECHR.

ETA: There isn’t any level of funding for the NHS that’s enough. Whatever a non-Labour government gives will always be “underfunding” to a Labour supporter.

NorthXNorthWest · 22/10/2026 16:48

Fast800goingforit · 22/10/2026 13:37

Incorrect. They only found the true extent of the hole in the public finances after coming to power. It's not as simple as unpicking each prior decision and changing it - there are cumulative effects over time.

The IFS had some interesting thoughts on what Labour knew about the size of the hole...

Lifelover16 · 22/10/2026 16:50

YANBU
Read like an infant school stories.
Full of promises but no indication of how these will be delivered.
Back in your basket Andy Pandy

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 22/10/2026 16:51

NorthXNorthWest · 22/10/2026 16:48

The IFS had some interesting thoughts on what Labour knew about the size of the hole...

Yeah, it was crap. Funny that the same line was wheeled out by Burnham and Healey about Reeves’s Treasury books.

hedgeknight · 22/10/2026 16:51

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 22/10/2026 16:47

The ECHR was another of their initiatives that they are now abandoning.

So what? There are many voices saying we should suspend or leave the ECHR or repeal the HRA. Those voices include Lord Sumption (ex Justice of the Supreme Court) and Jack Straw.

The ECHR was not intended by its drafters to be applied as it is now and the ECtHR is very different to its original conception. People recognise that. It’s not bad to reappraise the ECHR.

ETA: There isn’t any level of funding for the NHS that’s enough. Whatever a non-Labour government gives will always be “underfunding” to a Labour supporter.

Edited

Ah now you listen to a few select Labour voices.

Badenoch rejects candidates who support the ECHR. Has she not posted that on her X or Instagram account?

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 22/10/2026 16:53

hedgeknight · 22/10/2026 16:51

Ah now you listen to a few select Labour voices.

Badenoch rejects candidates who support the ECHR. Has she not posted that on her X or Instagram account?

Sumption is not Tory or Labour AFAIK. Just one of the cleverest and most reasonable people in Britain.