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To ask how to avoid 2nd home rate stamp duty

452 replies

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 13:22

Hear me out before you attack.

Currently living in rental property after splitting with ex partner. We own the home he is living in jointly.
The landlord of my rental wants to sell and I would like to buy it but the additional 5% stamp duty rate for what would count as a second home is a killer.
Are there any conveyancing solicitors who could advise on how to avoid (not evade) this extra 5%?

OP posts:
ChocolateApples · Yesterday 15:17

This talks through some of the more complicated cases
https://www.zoopla.co.uk/discover/buying/q-a-new-3-stamp-duty-surcharges/

KidsDoBetter · Yesterday 15:17

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 15:02

Fair enough. I’m pretty financially savvy and won’t put myself in a vulnerable position.

Really????
Because you are coming across as anything but. You don't even know the council tax implications let alone long term issues of owning a home with a former partner who lives there whilst you don't.

User3353821614 · Yesterday 15:18

OP, you’re at risk of losing your home if you buy a property with him. What if he gets married and then divorced? Or if he gets made bankrupt or dies?

SabrinaBricklayer · Yesterday 15:18

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 15:07

Not sure if you each live in one property

You need to check that, just in case.

spannasaurus · Yesterday 15:18

If the house your ex partner lives in is sold you will also have to pay capital gains tax on at least a proportion of your sale proceeds as you will only be able to claim private residence relief for the years in which you lived there.

TheMixedGirl · Yesterday 15:19

This is off key. Unfair to have a second home and expect not to pay a duty that everyone else has to pay in the same circumstance. Have your ex buy you out and buy a new place for yourself. This is ridiculous. Cut the cord

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 15:19

Pepperpie14 · Yesterday 15:10

Well if AI says so then it’s true. 🙄

You can’t deduct stamp duty on a main residence CGT calculation - they are both main residences if someone is living there so no deduction.

Is that your professional opinion?

OP posts:
FullOfLemons · Yesterday 15:20

RetiredFromExplaining · Yesterday 15:12

I find it astonishing that you think because you only own “half a house each”, you can avoid it being a second home. If you were not separating, and you bought another house together, you would both be buying a second property.

I also resent people who think because their “hard work” bought their home that they are more entitled to pay no tax than those who inherited, or were gifted a second property. There are cleaners and nurses and healthcare assistants and care workers and many others who work very hard, frequently in more than one job. Arguably they work harder than anyone because they don’t have financial advantages, and they might never be able to buy even a share of a property.

It isn’t about hard work. It’s about people paying their fair share. If you don’t want to pay the stamp duty, get him to buy you out. I’m sure his hard work will pay off any resulting mortgage in no time.

Well said

Although perhaps your username should be SemiRetiredFromExplaining

NotLabelledForIndividualSale · Yesterday 15:20

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 13:37

I want to maintain ownership of the existing property and we will buy the new one jointly too. Each live in one property

How silly. Cut ties with the first property and buy the second property in your own name. If you are divorcing then have that clean break.. move on with your life.

Cosyblankets · Yesterday 15:20

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 14:19

Not very helpful then, given that he can’t buy me out and we don’t know the value anyway.

Estate agent?
Rightmove?
Zoopla?
It's not hard

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 15:20

User3353821614 · Yesterday 15:18

OP, you’re at risk of losing your home if you buy a property with him. What if he gets married and then divorced? Or if he gets made bankrupt or dies?

It wouldn’t affect me as my share of each property would be mine.

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spannasaurus · Yesterday 15:22

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 15:20

It wouldn’t affect me as my share of each property would be mine.

Is the current property owned jointly or as tenants in common ?

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 15:23

spannasaurus · Yesterday 15:22

Is the current property owned jointly or as tenants in common ?

No idea. It’s the one where ownership is passed to the surviving one if one of us dies.

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Passaggressfedup · Yesterday 15:23

I was expecting some vitriol but was hoping for some legal responses and maybe a few who could understand the dilemma
The same dilemma than everyone else who pays tax they would rather not have to pay.

I'm self employed. I don't really want to pay tax. I don't think it's fair. Is there a way to avoid paying? It's such a dilemma 😎

ThatCyanCat · Yesterday 15:23

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 15:23

No idea. It’s the one where ownership is passed to the surviving one if one of us dies.

Edited

Financially savvy....

SabrinaBricklayer · Yesterday 15:23

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 15:23

No idea. It’s the one where ownership is passed to the surviving one if one of us dies.

Edited

You should probably check that as they can have different implications.

Cosyblankets · Yesterday 15:24

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 14:34

Stamps feet. No fair 🥲

It should apply to those wealthy holiday home owners, not hardworking decent folk like us

What's the difference ?
Two houses are two houses?

MeetMeOnTheCorner · Yesterday 15:24

@StampdutywoesSo have a whole property that’s yours! Of course what he does affects you! You would be required to sell to release his funds if he dies. This idea is madness. He might have all sorts of reasons why he might want to sell and release his money. To be honest, you both sound like naive idiots.

concertinacornflake · Yesterday 15:25

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 14:13

Don’t be daft, how is half ownership of two properties any different to us each owning one? I know it seems to be for the purpose of stamp duty but we are no more affluent than if we had one property each!

Hmm
CheltenhamLady · Yesterday 15:25

User3353821614 · Yesterday 15:18

OP, you’re at risk of losing your home if you buy a property with him. What if he gets married and then divorced? Or if he gets made bankrupt or dies?

Legal professional here.

Op all the above is true. From what you have said you have been living separately for five years. I think that re enmeshing with him in the form of buying a property together is very short sighted. You should be thinking seriously about disentangling yourself from your ex at this stage, unless you harbour ideas of getting back together? Or being his next of kin should he die?

SabrinaBricklayer · Yesterday 15:25

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 15:23

No idea. It’s the one where ownership is passed to the surviving one if one of us dies.

Edited

That sounds like joint tenants.

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 15:26

Passaggressfedup · Yesterday 15:23

I was expecting some vitriol but was hoping for some legal responses and maybe a few who could understand the dilemma
The same dilemma than everyone else who pays tax they would rather not have to pay.

I'm self employed. I don't really want to pay tax. I don't think it's fair. Is there a way to avoid paying? It's such a dilemma 😎

Presumably your accountant makes sure you only pay the tax you are legally required to pay otherwise he’s not very good. This is no different, I was only asking about options for tax avoidance not tax evasion.

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Max247 · Yesterday 15:26

I think you should see a professional who should have liability insurance.

With a decision of this size you run the risk of being wrong and it ruining your life forever.

You need someone to make the situation crystal clear in a legal way , and then if they get it wrong they are liable.

Cosyblankets · Yesterday 15:26

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 14:43

He likes it there though

Then let him pay the price

Metalmotha · Yesterday 15:28

Stampdutywoes · Yesterday 14:16

Let me get my tiny violin out. People with zero homes don’t have to pay stamp duty and they had the opportunity to study, work and save as we have done.

Explain to me why it is any different financially to if we each owned one of the houses rather than each owning half of both houses, given that we live separately.

Because you own a second property (as will your Ex). You have an interest in both. If he was to die you would have an interest in two houses

If the law didn’t work this way you could go round buying interests in rental properties without paying a second charge