AIBU - problems with antisemitism amongst NHS medical staff?

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The Campaign Against Antisemitism, a prominent UK watchdog group, has identified five healthcare professionals whose public statements it considers antisemitic or anti-Israel.

The five individuals, all current or former National Health Service employees, include midwife Fatimah Mohamied, who allegedly endorsed a post supporting Palestinian “resistance” on Oct. 7, 2023 by responding “Hell yeah!!!” to a post during the Hamas-led onslaught of October 7, 2023, that said: “Palestinians have a right to resist their occupation — we have a right to support them.”

Additionally, physician Dr. Abdelaal Ragheb Elfarra claimed Zionists control the media and the world; psychiatrist Dr. Ahmed Sewehli said regarding Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu “you need to be dead”; and emergency physician Dr. Nadeem Crowe described Israel as a “terrorist octopus.” Occupational therapist Zaida Akhtar allegedly shared a video appearing to encourage violence against Netanyahu’s son and a “false flag” claim about the Bondi Beach attack in Australia last year.

The allegations concerning the medical professionals follow a review published in June by John Mann, the British government’s independent adviser on antisemitism, which found “routine ostracism” of Jewish staff and patients within the NHS.

Jewish community representatives have warned that antisemitism in healthcare can affect patients at moments of particular vulnerability.

Karen Newman, a vice president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, described that concern during parliamentary testimony on May 14. She spoke about Jewish patients hesitating to request kosher meals after seeing a Palestinian badge on a nurse’s uniform.

“That is not a moment when you feel good asking for kosher meals,” she said.

https://www.jns.org/news/world/medical-staff-antisemitism-flagged-in-uk

I think you have just put your finger on the nail of the reasons for some anti semitism ...you have just called Israel's actions "alleged genocide". There is very little "alleged" about it. As a descendant of holocaust victims, I find the anti palestian rhetoric and maltreatment and genocide of palestinians by Israel abhorrent.

Sadly non zionist jews are paying a high price for those jews who do support zionism and call any resentment against them "anti semitism".

The International Association of Genocide Scholars has said that Israel's actions in Gaza meet the UN definition of genocide.

Perhaps you could explain why you disagree with their position on that?

No they should be doing that at all, to anyone.
But the NHS isnt a confluent entity... its people.
People have their own personal opinions based on their own experiences of life.
Basically... you can't control people's thoughts.

So you would not see any reason why the poppy worn by staff in the nhs in say Belfast, where the British army were on the streets for decades, shot at and killed civilians, colluded with paramilitaries and intimidated communities, would be seen as political? Britain and the NHS covers a whole lot more than just England

As has been explained so often it’s boring, the genocide is “alleged” legally speaking until a verdict is reached by the international court case currently studying the evidence. It’s not as simple a question as you think and is likely to take years for the court to come to a verdict.

It was the fact she said everything was good,
progressing well and just hiccups. As soon as she found out one parent was Jewish she completely switched and said baby was fitting and then insinuated I didn’t care about my baby when I pointed out she was just convinced it was hiccups.

Im certain she would have mentioned Tay sachs if that was her concern (I can assure you her only concern was causing me distress).

It’s not denying a genocide to point out that only a big international court can legally determine whether genocide is being committed or not. Maybe the court will in future determine that Israel has committed genocide but that is not the case at the moment.

That is factual.

They can say what they want. There is no genocide. There is a war with casualties. There is no killing with intent. Nothing I will say can convince you.

Well yes you order additional tests only when there's an indication, that's normal practice not an example of giving you bad care at all. I'm sorry you were distressed but I don't think that's an example of the HCP being antisemetic towards you

Right so not a blanket policy to get rid of all flags and political imagery then like you called for previously?

They were a bit quick off the mark those "scholars".

Due process needs to be followed for international law to mean anything at all.

Have the patients in NHS hospitals in Belfast said that poppies worn by staff members makes them feel in danger of their lives and that their care will be affected?

The fact you need to ask demonstrates how little you know about it tbh. Poppy wearing in northern Ireland is a contentious, divisive and politically charged issue. NHS staff there do have a personal choice whether they wear one or not but many people would see it as a symbol of British army actions in NI and not a sign of remembrance and are offended by it. The point being, dismissing poppy wearing as not political, as has been done by some posters, is not accurate, it is deeply political in some British communities.

Yes all very well but do patients in NHS hospitals in Belfast fear that they will be attacked by a staff member wearing a poppy? Unlikely.

To he honest in N Ireland I can see there is sensitivity. Although a poppy symbolises the war dead in WW1 and WW2 where people from N Ireland died too. I cannot see that it is the same as Hamas supporting anti semitic NHS workers caring for Jews however.

I don't consider the issue I addressed (the attempt to restrict criticism of Netenyahu and his criminal acts by threatening the reputations of those who express this) to be a micro issue at all. It's an issue I think is important, hence my post.

I note that in none of your posts did you oppose homophobia, the destruction of the world whale population, the civil war in Myanmar or any number of other world problems. Shall I then assume you support all these issues? Or am I ok to assume it simply wasn't what you were focusing on?

Of course an attempt to imply people are antisemetic if they don't agree with (or parrot) everything you say is a bullying attempt to control the narrative.

No there isn't. You just like to think there is.

I've seen a few people on here who say they work for the NHS. Im then horrified to see their stance on the CITME board. Can you honestly see them being able to hide their feelings towards Jewish patients?

The argument is about whether the poppy is a political symbol and therefore should be banned along with other political symbols, as it has been suggested by many posters that political symbols should not be worn by NHS staff. I have demonstrated why it is indeed considered a political symbol by some communities served by the NHS. So agree with @Dontmakemethinkofanotherbloodyusername that it is hypocritical not to include it in the political symbol ban.

Although a poppy symbolises the war dead in WW1 and WW2
It symbolises all fallen soldiers now not just in the two world wars so does include those who served in Northern Ireland.

Also why are you talking about people fearing being attacked by NHS staff?

Because that is the subject of the thread.

And the fact you are arguing against wearing a poppy is just sad example of how society is degenerating in the UK. In my opinion only of course. It explains lot of how this country is changing for the worse.

I don’t need a meteorologist to confirm it’s raining.

ok but I think you'll find it takes an international court of law to determine a genocide.

By your logic, if a person of Russian heritage presents as an NHS patient, an NHS employee would be perfectly justified in haranguing them for Russia’s war crimes in Ukraine?

I applaud you for dignifying that glib post with an answer!

Curious that people don’t denounce Russia or Russians in general for war crimes in Ukraine - they just demonise (justifiably in my view) Putin. But somehow all Jews aka Zionists are responsible for the actions of the current Israeli government and army. There is a word for that: antisemitism.
people - even more importantly, sick people deserve to be treated professionally and impartially when they attend hospital or visit a GP. Political or racist views and imagery such as badges should have no place in a health setting.

What have I just read. Jews just have to put up with it while going through the same complaint channels as everyone else!! Yes, while their primary children's schools are patrolled by strict security with such an unprecedented amount of hatred, they have got to just go with the flow, in the case of hostile people they come into contact with. Fcking hell Antisemitism is sometimes cleverly hidden. Put up and shut up because its not that different to anyone else's complaints.