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AIBU - problems with antisemitism amongst NHS medical staff?

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Twiglets1 · Yesterday 06:32

The Campaign Against Antisemitism, a prominent UK watchdog group, has identified five healthcare professionals whose public statements it considers antisemitic or anti-Israel.

The five individuals, all current or former National Health Service employees, include midwife Fatimah Mohamied, who allegedly endorsed a post supporting Palestinian “resistance” on Oct. 7, 2023 by responding “Hell yeah!!!” to a post during the Hamas-led onslaught of October 7, 2023, that said: “Palestinians have a right to resist their occupation — we have a right to support them.”

Additionally, physician Dr. Abdelaal Ragheb Elfarra claimed Zionists control the media and the world; psychiatrist Dr. Ahmed Sewehli said regarding Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu “you need to be dead”; and emergency physician Dr. Nadeem Crowe described Israel as a “terrorist octopus.” Occupational therapist Zaida Akhtar allegedly shared a video appearing to encourage violence against Netanyahu’s son and a “false flag” claim about the Bondi Beach attack in Australia last year.

The allegations concerning the medical professionals follow a review published in June by John Mann, the British government’s independent adviser on antisemitism, which found “routine ostracism” of Jewish staff and patients within the NHS.

Jewish community representatives have warned that antisemitism in healthcare can affect patients at moments of particular vulnerability.

Karen Newman, a vice president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, described that concern during parliamentary testimony on May 14. She spoke about Jewish patients hesitating to request kosher meals after seeing a Palestinian badge on a nurse’s uniform.

“That is not a moment when you feel good asking for kosher meals,” she said.

https://www.jns.org/news/world/medical-staff-antisemitism-flagged-in-uk

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pearpudding · Yesterday 08:51

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Twiglets1 · Yesterday 08:53

SingingShrews · Yesterday 08:51

The Campaign Against Antisemitism are not a trustworthy group. They purposefully misled a judge to bring what the judge described as an 'abusive' prosecution and they have sought to use the criminal justice system for 'improper reasons'. A copy of this judgment must be attached to any future applications for summonses so that their previous improper behaviour is flagged immediately if they bring any more cases to court.

They have also been given a remedial action plan by the charity commission for mismanagement after allegations that it represents improper political activity.

What about the Mann review? Based on those findings, do you agree that the NHS has problems with antisemitism?

( which they are currently trying to address)

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lola243 · Yesterday 08:55

Anti Israel and Anti Semitism are not the same thing FYI. People are allowed to wear a Palestine badge without being accused of making others feel uncomfortable when a genocide is being committed. Netanyahu is a war criminal. Hope this helps

KassandraOfSparta · Yesterday 08:55

Medical staff need to be keeping their political opinions to themselves. It is so inappropriate in any workplace to wear political symbols like a palestinian flag.

SingingShrews · Yesterday 08:56

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 08:53

What about the Mann review? Based on those findings, do you agree that the NHS has problems with antisemitism?

( which they are currently trying to address)

I haven't read it. I was commenting on your op which seemed to be based off a group who are known for spreading purposefully misleading information and abusive prosecutions.

Sartre · Yesterday 09:02

These sorts of threads always go the same way. I’m half Jewish and used to feel proud to tell people this but now feel a little afraid to, especially in the area of academia I teach within (humanities). It shouldn’t be this way but everyone continuously conflates Judaism with Zionism and whilst ever people continue to call anyone who calls out the Israeli government as automatically being antisemitic, this is going to be an issue.

Another issue is how quick everyone has been to damn Israel but other countries who are responsible for even worse atrocities in recent years e.g Sudan are ignored.

Flowergirl89 · Yesterday 09:04

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I really don’t want to get into that here, that wasn’t the idea. Do you understand what a genocide is? Israel’s goals are not to kill Palestinians despite what you’re told and shown. The soldiers are largely reservists who want to go back to their lives, families and businesses. The population in Gaza is increasing so as genocides go they’re doing a pretty crappy job. It’s a war. A horrible war being fought in horrible urban conditions just the way Hamas want to it to be. And the fat terrorists hiding in tunnels are all laughing at people like you who fall for the propaganda.

Bikenutz · Yesterday 09:05

Cloudysky81 · Yesterday 07:56

The issue is we allowed political insignia with Ukraine.
Ukrainian flags being flown in hospitals, fundraisers for Ukraine being advertised in trust emails, bake sales for Ukraine.

It never should have been allowed, because it has opened a can of worms. I completely agree that hospitals should be apolitical, but to enforce that now is problematic and it seem to be favouring one country over another.

I never saw any posts complaining that Russian patients in hospital felt under threat.

Political symbols should be banned in the NHS going forward. Policies can and should change based on evidence of concern from a minority population, like a significant drop in demand for kosher meals.

Russian patients in the NHS would be a tiny minority, but I can assure you that Russians in the UK felt less welcome when so many were showing such visible support for Ukraine, regardless of their actual views on the conflict.

Reminders of war can also be triggering for people who had experienced or fled conflict, regardless of nationality or ethnicity.

Biscuitsforbreakfastt · Yesterday 09:11

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Utterly appalling that some people still try to deny a genocide which has been recognised globally. Right up there with holocaust deniers.

Sewingbeedamned · Yesterday 09:19

There should be no political statements by NHS professional at work ever. No badge, lanyard, nothing. What people do away from work is their business.

SchoolOfCool · Yesterday 09:20

graygoose · Yesterday 07:35

Some of the examples if “anti-semitism” you give are in fact opposite to a genocide insinuated by the Israeli state, specifically Netanyahu. And if you agree that that what is being done in Gaza is not the fault of British Jews or indeed, Jews as a whole (which I entirely agree with) then how is speaking out against the mass killing of Palestinian people by the Israeli government anti-Semitic? Unless you feel so fragile in your beliefs that you in fact conflate Zionism and Judaism.

I do not conflate Zionism and Judaism. I can hold two things true at once: that the October 7th attacks and hostage taking were vile and unacceptable. And that the Israeli’s government’s response to target Palestinian civilians on the basis that Hamas use them as a shield are vile and unacceptable. I’m afraid I fail to see how saying that civilian toddlers shouldn’t be maimed and killed in retaliation for the actions of a terrorist organisation is anti-Semitic.

But - I also don’t think anyone needs to wear political symbols in a state or hospital environment. And I hope that any Jewish patient can have faith in their fellow Brits that they can hold two truths in their mind: anti-semitism is wrong. Genocide is wrong. And being a Jew doesn’t mean you support a genocide.

Agree with this.

The increasing polarisation of this topic fuelled by right wing media does nobod any favours.

Cartoonmouse · Yesterday 09:21

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Why don't you think about the main point in her post. That she doesn't see a future for her in her own country. Rather than focus on whether or not there is a genocide which is yet to be determined by the courts and it doesn't matter a hoot whether you believe it is happening or not.

Cartoonmouse · Yesterday 09:22

SchoolOfCool · Yesterday 09:20

Agree with this.

The increasing polarisation of this topic fuelled by right wing media does nobod any favours.

"Increasing polarisation " then immediately juxtaposed with "fuelled by right wing media" did make me chuckle.

ViciousCurrentBun · Yesterday 09:22

There have been reports of racism before in the NHS about black women receiving poorer maternity care and being more likely to die when giving birth. I remember it being discussed on MN . I’m sure no one decided to then push a different slant on the experience of those women being treated poorly, it was just and rightfully so sympathy.

But here we have people arguing saying claims are exaggerated or just not believing there is anti semitism in the NHS and turning it around to talk about Gaza and whilst what is happening there is awful this report is about anti semitism in the NHS within the UK.

Cartoonmouse · Yesterday 09:23

Biscuitsforbreakfastt · Yesterday 09:11

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Utterly appalling that some people still try to deny a genocide which has been recognised globally. Right up there with holocaust deniers.

Try and focus on the topic in hand which is tbe treatment of Jews by NHS staff.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 09:23

SingingShrews · Yesterday 08:56

I haven't read it. I was commenting on your op which seemed to be based off a group who are known for spreading purposefully misleading information and abusive prosecutions.

But my OP also mentioned the Mann review?

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SchoolOfCool · Yesterday 09:23

Bikenutz · Yesterday 09:05

Political symbols should be banned in the NHS going forward. Policies can and should change based on evidence of concern from a minority population, like a significant drop in demand for kosher meals.

Russian patients in the NHS would be a tiny minority, but I can assure you that Russians in the UK felt less welcome when so many were showing such visible support for Ukraine, regardless of their actual views on the conflict.

Reminders of war can also be triggering for people who had experienced or fled conflict, regardless of nationality or ethnicity.

This is a good point. The Russians I have met in the UK are in no way Putin supporters but have been made to feel very unwelcome on occasion.

Laurmolonlabe · Yesterday 09:23

I understand the concern but antisemitic and anti Israel cannot be used interchangeably, you cannot assume someone who is concerned about the violence in Palestine is antisemitic.

Newmotor88 · Yesterday 09:25

There is no point posting about antisemitism on mumsnet. I can’t even open these threads any more as it’s too painful.

Cartoonmouse · Yesterday 09:25

Laurmolonlabe · Yesterday 09:23

I understand the concern but antisemitic and anti Israel cannot be used interchangeably, you cannot assume someone who is concerned about the violence in Palestine is antisemitic.

If they aren't also concerned about the massive levels of violence happening elsewhere in the world and only concentrate on Gaza then I assume anti semitism I'm afraid. Can't pick and chose your concern.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 09:25

lola243 · Yesterday 08:55

Anti Israel and Anti Semitism are not the same thing FYI. People are allowed to wear a Palestine badge without being accused of making others feel uncomfortable when a genocide is being committed. Netanyahu is a war criminal. Hope this helps

People are not allowed to wear Palestinian badges in NHS settings anymore.

In their own time they can but not at work if they work for the NHS because they take the findings from the independent review seriously.

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CurdinHenry · Yesterday 09:27

It all boils down to the problem of people being increasingly unable to get over themselves.

The geopolitical beliefs of a random radiographer are immaterial to the sum of human wisdom and they need to keep them personal and private in order to be competent and trustworthy clinicians.

DogsandFlowers · Yesterday 09:28

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 08:01

Actually I'm going into hospital soon so your comment gave me pause for thought. Should I be ordering a kosher meal in solidarity with Jewish patients?

But then I felt the slight trepidation of - but what if that affects my treatment.

A small insight into the way it could feel for Jewish patients.

No don’t do that…. About 100 steps too far. Virtue signalling???

Cartoonmouse · Yesterday 09:28

CurdinHenry · Yesterday 09:27

It all boils down to the problem of people being increasingly unable to get over themselves.

The geopolitical beliefs of a random radiographer are immaterial to the sum of human wisdom and they need to keep them personal and private in order to be competent and trustworthy clinicians.

Exactly. Who cares what they think. People need to keep their political or racist views to themselves rather than vomiting them all over everyone else. The whole thing is absolutely bizarre.

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