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To ask French Mumsnetters / parents how you're doing given today's protests?

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/10/2026 13:47

Am starting this thread because I'm keeping an eye on both the Guardian live feed about the French student protests and Agenda Free TV on TouTube which is currently showing live feed from Toulouse.

My now adult kids were mid teens when we had the student lian protests here, and it was the devils own job preventing them trying to go to London. I was conflicted. On the one hand I admired the principles at play. On the other, protecting my offspring from themselves / the authorities / bad actors over rode that. And that was relatively small scale.

I know this is a complex situation and countrywide. I suppose I'm thinking in terms of solidarity with those with kids involved, or involved themselves as it's been reported parents and others are joining the protest, from the point of it being such a chaotic and scary situation. And I'd like to hear real thoughts from real people, as all media has different perspectives. Not a journalist, just a concerned human being, willing to listen to real thoughts and experiences from those in the vicinity.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/oct/06/europe-french-school-protests-paris-germany-afd-bulgaria-drones-russia-ukraine-latest-news-updates

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LuckyHazelFox · 07/10/2026 09:47

They complain about (some protests) in Britain and then urge more when it suits their purpose. The continuing double standards.

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 07/10/2026 10:15

AlicePottery · 07/10/2026 09:09

We could start with the 211 BILLION € that was given to companies without any accountability.

Why did that happen?

But anyway, it's gone now and I assume that they can't legally get it back.

The Euro slumped yesterday because of France's debts.

And why would anyone want to be a teacher when they are being attacked in the protests?

Noodledog · 07/10/2026 10:28

BIossomtoes · 07/10/2026 09:07

I’d go further, it’s become such a caricature it’s basically unreadable these days.

How do you know, do you read it? Or is it what you have been told to think?

ElizaMulvil · 07/10/2026 10:34

Joliefolie · 06/10/2026 23:22

Attempted french pension reforms to try to get the pension age nearer to that of other countries and things like parcoursup (which does put kids in the same positon they find themselves in with UCAS) seem understandable to people from other countries because they've had these sorts of systems for ages, but feel wildly unjust when such changes are imposed, not least in a culture where the need to protest is deeply embedded. Just like in the UK and other countries, there's a question of where the funds get allocated - it's impossible for it to carry on as it is, triple locks and retirement at 60 with a larger than ever eldery population etc does eat into what is available for the young, of course it does. The kids are right to protest about absent teachers, 40 in a class, poor quality facilities, lack of care etc. on top of a uncertain future. The violence from certain activists and the heavy-handed police response is clearly very regrettable. It's not a joke. It's violently manifesting something that is affecting millions of people in many different countries.

Agents Provocateurs.
Been rife in France to discredit protesters for decades, no hundreds of years. The French invented the phrase (obviously).

DuncinToffee · 07/10/2026 10:36

LuckyHazelFox · 07/10/2026 09:47

They complain about (some protests) in Britain and then urge more when it suits their purpose. The continuing double standards.

Who are they and which protests are you referring to

quackquack1514 · 07/10/2026 10:36

SpanThatWorld · 07/10/2026 08:45

But random anonymous posters on the Internet are more reliable?

It's about getting information from as many sources as possible. Possibly some people here live in France.

SpanThatWorld · 07/10/2026 11:01

quackquack1514 · 07/10/2026 10:36

It's about getting information from as many sources as possible. Possibly some people here live in France.

And possibly they're all bots operating from Russia...

Dutch1e · 07/10/2026 11:16

99bottlesofkombucha · 06/10/2026 21:43

So you think nobody should protest ever in case someone gets violent? I can’t work out if you’re just stirring, think everyone should be apathetic, or if it doesn’t affect you so nobody should care.

They're definitely just stirring. And not even very well, it's pretty mundane reading.

sheepandbear · 07/10/2026 11:44

French mum of three young adults and higher ed teacher. Haven’t seen any trouble locally and nothing in my business school. My daughter in Paris hasn’t been in the least disrupted either.

However, all 3 of my kids, my colleagues, friends and I totally support the lycéens.

I work in a private school with great facilities but do one day a week in one of the country’s top state engineering and the conditions there are abysmal. Little heating in winter, damp, cold classrooms, grotty toilets… I can’t imagine what the less fortunate state colleges and unis have to put up with!

Totally condemn the police violence. I think most French people agree that the path to change is through opposition and I hope that voters will think carefully about the current situation of oppression before the upcoming presidentials…

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/10/2026 13:40

LuckyHazelFox · 07/10/2026 09:47

They complain about (some protests) in Britain and then urge more when it suits their purpose. The continuing double standards.

Huh?ConfusedConfusedConfused

TellMeStories · 07/10/2026 15:27

SpanThatWorld · 07/10/2026 08:54

The Telegraph has lost any right to be seen as a serious reliable newspaper. It's now up there with the Mail but edging towards Express territory.

Which is a shame

Personally I don’t trust any of the MSM and don’t believe anything they say unless I see it corroborated elsewhere.

Nevertheless the BBC doctored Trump’s speech which demonstrates that it is not a conspiracy theory that the BBC are an unreliable news source as pp claimed.

You’re not trying to claim the BBC didn’t doctor the speech just because the Telegraph reported that it did, are you? The BBC have admitted it and apologised.

LakieLady · 07/10/2026 15:57

AlicePottery · 06/10/2026 20:16

Since the Bac reforme in 2019, the whole system has changed.

Kids now have loads of different options to choose from (sounds good but it isn't) meaning there are a huge number of possible combinations which has a huge impact on their timetables, many pupils have to spend 8 hours a day at school with free periods scattered about all over the place. Sometimes they only have 30 mins to eat (in France that's a big deal) or they have to eat at 11h or 14h.

They now also have to deal with Parcoursup to find out where they're going to study after lycée. It is hugely stressful for so many pupils (including the brightest ones) and extremely unfair depending on where you go to school in the first place.

Most school buildings are very old and run-down, poorly built and not adapted for today's classes (around 35 pupils per class, although 40 is becoming more and more common). There are very few rooms with air-conditioning despite the rising temperatures (it was over 35⁰ from May to September almost every single day this year where I am). Oh and ceilings are literally falling on kids' heads.

Teachers who fall ill, have accidents or even are just on maternity leave aren't replaced for months on end, or even for the whole year in several cases just in my nearest city).

That sounds dreadful, I'm not surprised they're protesting.

DeftGoldHedgehog · 07/10/2026 16:21

CandidLurker · 07/10/2026 09:26

Posters are telling us France is at least 10 years behind the UK on SEN. No schools in the Uk have had “Turkish toilets” since the invention of the toilet.

French schools are very unequal dependent on area. You could say it’s the same thing here and to an extent it is but at least we’ve tried to even it out with the pupil premium.

In the UK many state schools have brilliant Arts and Drama/Performing arts departments. Access to different sports. This isn’t such a thing in France. The focus is on academics and getting the Bac. The workload is gruelling.

Superficially some things may look the same, but they actually aren’t because it’s a product of the fundamentals of how society works, and French culture/society is very different from the UK.

Yes I don't think it is the same, but there are some similar issues and some very different ones. There is plenty students and parents could protest about here, but I know when I was in that sphere I felt too worn down to try.

SpanThatWorld · 07/10/2026 16:45

TellMeStories · 07/10/2026 15:27

Personally I don’t trust any of the MSM and don’t believe anything they say unless I see it corroborated elsewhere.

Nevertheless the BBC doctored Trump’s speech which demonstrates that it is not a conspiracy theory that the BBC are an unreliable news source as pp claimed.

You’re not trying to claim the BBC didn’t doctor the speech just because the Telegraph reported that it did, are you? The BBC have admitted it and apologised.

I'm not making any claims about the Trump speech at all.

I think the BBC is generally more reliable than the Telegraph.

I think the Telegraph is massively more reliable than anonymous people on the internet.

Who do you look to for corroboration?

TellMeStories · 07/10/2026 17:09

SpanThatWorld · 07/10/2026 16:45

I'm not making any claims about the Trump speech at all.

I think the BBC is generally more reliable than the Telegraph.

I think the Telegraph is massively more reliable than anonymous people on the internet.

Who do you look to for corroboration?

It’s somewhat derailing to get into a conversation about the merits of different news sources on this thread, and beside the point anyway.

The fact is the BBC doctored Trump’s speech, whether you want to acknowledge that they did or not, and whether I link an article saying they did by the Telegraph, the Guardian or the BBC themselves.

Therefore (and for other reasons , this is just one glaring example) it is not a conspiracy theory to say the BBC is an unreliable news source.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c874nw4g2zzo

SpanThatWorld · 07/10/2026 18:08

TellMeStories · 07/10/2026 17:09

It’s somewhat derailing to get into a conversation about the merits of different news sources on this thread, and beside the point anyway.

The fact is the BBC doctored Trump’s speech, whether you want to acknowledge that they did or not, and whether I link an article saying they did by the Telegraph, the Guardian or the BBC themselves.

Therefore (and for other reasons , this is just one glaring example) it is not a conspiracy theory to say the BBC is an unreliable news source.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c874nw4g2zzo

You do seem slightly fixated on the Trump speech.

No news source is 100% reliable. Some are more reliable than others.

I would take the BBC over, for example, Russia Today or Press TV.

And i would definitely take it over random anonymous people on the internet

Bonsaibaby · 07/10/2026 18:16

My dd is in uni in Paris and her sessions have gone online today. She said she hadn’t been affected by the protests so I’m not sure what’s happening.

Joliefolie · 07/10/2026 19:00

I often apprecaite the way Agnès Poirier writes for a British readership (The Times).

It started peacefully. On September 18, pupils at the Lycée Antoine de Saint-Exupéry in Créteil, southeast of Paris, joined their teachers striking over unfilled posts, overcrowded classes and crumbling buildings. Perfectly legitimate grievances expressed without trouble.
Within days, two young MPs from Jean-Luc Mélenchon’s far-left party, France Unbowed, turned up to cheer them on and filmed themselves doing it. One of their TikTok videos, in which one of the MPs directly addressed President Macron and accused him of “looking down on the youth”, was viewed 1.5 million times. It worked a treat. The blockades spread like wildfire across France, reaching even the most elite Parisian lycées such as Henri-IV, where pupils, perched on a pyramid of bins, held up banners declaring: “Privileged but revolted.”
Less than three weeks later, the toll is stark. Hundreds of lycées have been blockaded, 24 set on fire and “severely damaged” by youngsters. A headteacher was doused in petrol in Marseille, a passer-by burnt by a makeshift flamethrower when she tried to intervene; another, pelted with stones by youths wearing balaclavas, lost an eye. As of Monday evening, 715 policemen and gendarmes, 215 pupils and 85 school staff, including 34 head teachers, had been injured. More than 5,000 people have been taken into custody, 85 per cent of them minors. Tuesday’s national day of action, when police fired teargas at teenagers in Paris as pupils across France marched alongside university students, trade unions and even farmers, will have added to the toll.
It only took a few political pyromaniacs to set this alight, and it is hard to see it dying down any time soon. Jérôme Fourquet, France’s most-read pollster and head of opinion research at Ifop, helps explain why. In Homo Occidentalis: What have we become?, published this month with the clinical psychologist Ruben Rabinovitch, he describes an anthropological shift under way and a new mental climate. He calls it décivilisation, “this reduced ability to manage our emotions and frustration, and a growing propensity for insults, antisocial behaviour and physical violence”.
“Today, we live in a horizontal, disinhibited society centred on self-fulfilment,” Fourquet says, and collective frustrations no longer find their outlet in organised politics; they spill straight into the streets. Hence the changing electoral landscape and the rise of both political extremes, Marine Le Pen's far right and Mélenchon’s far left, whom some polls pair as the likely finalists in next spring’s presidential election.

In another recent survey among teachers and the wider population, Fourquet points to the failure at the heart of France’s education system. In just 40 years the baccalauréat, the end-of-lycée exam, has become a largely devalued diploma. In 1985, just 29 per cent of school-leavers obtained it; about 80 per cent do so today.
This has had two consequences. According to 71 per cent of teachers, it has led to “a collapse in overall educational standards”, which is indeed apparent in the findings of the OECD’s latest Pisa international assessment, in which France recorded its lowest results yet in mathematics, reading and science. Competition and selection have been postponed to higher education, where students pile up degrees to prove their worth — only to discover that the job market does not necessarily value their aspirations. The result is a nation of overabundant and frustrated graduates and a culture of resentment that populists on both extremes exploit.
Money is not even the problem. France spends 6.8 per cent of its GDP on education, and even after deducting pensions for retired teachers it is still spending the OECD average. The failure is management rather than means. More deeply, however, the problem is cultural: in going out of its way to continually spare pupils, France has abandoned the pursuit of excellence. Restoring it would require a cultural revolution.
In the meantime, the French government cannot buy either time or peace. It has resorted to “magic money” so often that markets have grown very edgy. The French are deeply resistant to reform. They are so attached to early retirement that the current government has had to suspend the timid 2023 pension reform simply to survive, freezing retirement age at 62. Pensions swallow a quarter of France’s public spending and yet any government asking the French to confront the demographic arithmetic and work longer risks being toppled. So this government, with no majority in parliament, can only absorb the blows, praying hard there are no deaths in the streets and that the markets do not pull the plug.
With a national debt of €3.6trn, at 119 per cent of GDP, far above the eurozone average, the French are living a dangerous lie. And the candidates most likely to get through to the second round of the presidential election spook the markets. Mélenchon wants to cancel outright the French debt held by the ECB. As for Le Pen, who unveiled her economic programme on Tuesday, she promises to lower — yes lower — the retirement age and slash VAT on energy and food.

The markets may not wait for next year’s election to deliver their verdict. The lesson will come, cold and hard, and not even post-Marxist tactics will soften the reckoning. Unless the French decide to burn their house down. They have done it before.

lorr1e1 · 07/10/2026 19:02

I couldn't imagine British kids e et protesting about their education

TellMeStories · 08/10/2026 00:22

SpanThatWorld · 07/10/2026 18:08

You do seem slightly fixated on the Trump speech.

No news source is 100% reliable. Some are more reliable than others.

I would take the BBC over, for example, Russia Today or Press TV.

And i would definitely take it over random anonymous people on the internet

😂😂😂

No, I’m not fixated on the Trump speech. I mentioned it as an example of the unreliability of the BBC to refute the claim that only conspiracy theorists distrust the BBC. I linked a Telegraph article. The claim was made in response (sorry, don’t know if it was you or not and can’t be bothered to look back to check) that the Telegraph are not reliable, implying that the doctoring the Trump speech story is somehow untrue and that this story is therefore not evidence of the unreliability of the BBC.

The Trump speech doctoring by the BBC story IS true, and IS evidence of the unreliability of the BBC. It is specifically evidence of not just getting a few facts wrong or not checking information correctly but of deliberate falsification of material to suit a particular political agenda.

If you can’t grasp why this deliberate falsification of material by our national broadcaster is somewhat important, I don’t know what to say to you.

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/10/2026 00:51

BBC Panorama is not BBC News.
Just as Eastenders is not BBC News.

AlicePottery · 08/10/2026 11:10

(I just counted, there have been seven so far).

Bretonbabe · 08/10/2026 11:42

I love the French, they don’t take any nonsense and I’m confident on their behalf the protest will have the desired effect.

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