Would Labour voters be upset if joining the EU meant they could no longer tax children’s education?

[Blarneyspoco]

Taxing children’s education is banned as part of EU membership. If the U.K. rejoined the EU, would Labour supporters be upset that they can no longer levy the tax or would it be seen as a necessary compromise.

I have read it. You are asking for grovelling. Your attitude stinks.

Pay it no mind. Constantly going for higher earners won’t work.

It’s a U.K. thing atm, very few countries apply this tax for a start.

No. You've just got used to contributors abasing themselves and apologising for existing, without a thought to them being part of the society they're funding.

But you've pushed it too far. That's over.

And whilst you're at it, think about what actually makes the UK the fabled 'rich country' that gives all it's citizens so much already...with free healthcare, free education, social care, an incredibly generous welfare state

I agree. The people who work so hard to deliver all those services deserve better recognition and, in many cases, better wages.

Your attitude is fortunately extremely rare. We never have and never will canonise people for simply paying their taxes however much you rage.

As people will opt out taxes go up. Some will applaud any new tax but it’s crazy to get behaviour change, it just ramps up taxes for more people.

I don’t know the figures, but I suspect more people would be upset, if standard rated VAT was applied to essential food, children’s clothes and energy?

And yet your posts are repeatedly the ones throwing out bitterness and rage. You seem to justify that by deflecting it to probably a handful of randoms on an anonymous site. It might help you to understand that most people are not vindictive, maybe just ambivalent. If ambivalence enrages you then I’m sorry but you have no right to dictate what people should have strong feelings about. As for taxes, we all pay them. I pay loads and that’s life. Also you can’t put a value on the contribution people make to society on the basis of the taxes they pay. The surgeon who could be saving a life or the ICU nurse nursing someone back to life will be earning and financially contributing less than they could be in some other careers. Does that mean they are making a less valuable contribution to society?

Surgeons are well paid in the UK

Nobody said they weren’t. However, hedge fund managers, senior management consultants, magic circle lawyers and many tech and finance roles generate significantly more than an NHS surgeon would earn. Principle stands in any case.

Do we not feel that while nurses are lovely a brain surgeon makes a larger impact to the medical community?

while nurses are lovely

And just as necessary as the brain surgeon. And make just as large an impact. More, in fact. But you know that.

Nurses are needed for every condition. Brain surgery is a bit niche.

So if you had a brain tumour requiring surgery, and you could choose either

a) the best brain surgeon in the hospital and the worst nurse in the hospital

or

b) the worst brain surgeon in the hospital and the best nurse

Which would you choose?

Personally, my 'ability' priority would be

1. anaesthetist
2. surgeon
3. nurse

If your choice is different, then I will very happy to celebrate how different we all are in our society

Let's assume that neither are psychopathic or criminally negligent.

Deciding which profession would be most likely to have one of those traits is probably a rabbit hole too far...

Oh look a 🐿️. Missing the point spectacularly and disingenuously.

Absolutely. Pointless engaging further with pp I feel.

Many surgeons also do private work. The NHS pay is restricted due to the style of system we have. US surgeons earn oodles more.

The roles you mentioned are well paying, highly skilled and technical roles. Requires a lot of studying and knowledge to deliver. Work that is valued and needed and helps.

It's a fairly to-the-point disagreement with your assertion that nurses "make just as large an impact" as surgeons @TemperanceWest

Not sure what your objection to my objection is...

Brain surgeons wouldn’t be able to do their jobs without the assistance of anaesthetists, theatre nurses and theatre technicians. Or hospital porters to wheel patients into the surgery.

Or nurses attending to the patients in ICU and on the wards.

Obviously the brain surgeon has unique skills and is remunerated accordingly. But all these roles play above roles are important in the care of the patients.

Nobody owes anyone a reply and I can't be arsed with going off on your tangent, tbh.

Exactly.

It’s pretty clear that you are unable to challenge the very obvious points I made and your deflection tactics now stoop to posting a lot of irrelevant drivel. That in itself speaks volumes.

The best brain surgeon of course. Their skill and technical expertise is at the top and surpasses others.

The final diagnostic and treatment decisions rest on the doctor. If something goes wrong the buck stops with them.

In the case of a brain surgeon if something goes wrong the buck stops with the patient.