Would Labour voters be upset if joining the EU meant they could no longer tax children’s education?

[Blarneyspoco]

Taxing children’s education is banned as part of EU membership. If the U.K. rejoined the EU, would Labour supporters be upset that they can no longer levy the tax or would it be seen as a necessary compromise.

There’s certainly precedent for that as a decent amount of people voted Leave to spite Cameron/Conservatives/Government. (I haven’t forgiven him for not setting a super majority then treating the narrow result as if it was binding as it was an entirely avoidable mess that could have led to some introspection about our relationship with the EU without flushing it all away despite having no plan).

That is something I am in agreement with.

It would be beyond parody if a future anti-EU reason is stated to be "that's not as good as the deal we had ...."

I don't think we should aspire to France or Germany at all
We don't need to.
We set our own path..

So why bring them up at all, if not to try and somehow draw a false equivalence between EU membership and struggling economies?

I think that fact will be central to any sensible (not ideological) anti-rejoin campaign!

1. people think the EU is a strong eccomic Bastian we must rejoin. No . The two strongest ecconomies are massively failing.
2. people think our money woes are due to Brexit . No look at the two biggest ecconomies France and Germany and many other EU counties face the same issues we do. Ie re joining won't make our worries go away.

This is really wrong and stupid. A country can only secure an "opt-out" if it is explicitly negotiated and agreed upon unanimously by all other member states during major, foundational EU treaty revisions.

But that is why I said the only way to do this is agreement in principle on the exact deal we had before, no ifs no buts. Because that also limits the other countries from objecting and their politicians using leeway. Then it can also be done quickly. If they were all to agree in principle it’s hard to back out on both sides.

It’s also extremely simple to put to our voters. Same deal as before take it or leave it!

people think the EU is a strong economic Bastian we must rejoin.

Some may do. Not all. For some the economic benefits are just the cherry on the cake.

And we already know that a lot of Brexiteers explicitly stated that they didn't give two shits about the economics of Brexit anyway.

However, I suspect that trying to enjoin the Brexit debate to the VAT on private schooling debate isn't going to bring the clarity some had hoped for.

Yep I doubt it’s easy to get considering each member state has its own politics and some might be shifting politically with upcoming elections.

If people have to or don't have to pay VAT on private school fees will not even figure on any debate about rejoining the EU. It does not come on the radar of the debate except in this weird obsessive corner of MN. It will be too late for you anyway OP. Best to move on and use money saved on fees on enriching your children's education outside the school. There's alot you can do with that saved cash to support them at their new plebian school.

And many remainers only care about passport queues your point?

You've already made it for me. Thanks.

Sorry if your search engine is broken.

"A group of independent Christian and faith-based schools, alongside individual pupils and parents, brought the main legal challenges against the UK government's removal of the VAT exemption on private school fees.
Specific Schools Involved in the Legal Challenge
• The King’s School (Fair Oak, Hampshire)
• Emmanuel School (Derby)
• The Branch Christian School (Yorkshire)
• Wyclif Independent Christian School (South Wales)
• Charedi Jewish secondary/faith schools (represented via individual student and parent claimants from the Charedi community)"

Edited to add that earlier in this thread (or another one?) another poster linked websites of a Muslim school and a Welsh language school in London that were not involved in this legal case but are schools in a similar position regarding fees.

Some religious schools? They are already getting kick backs from their church and now want more tax exemption? They are worse than farmers.

I just want less taxes and more subsidies! I can't see any problems with that approach can you?

The problem I am addressing here is with you and honestly many other posters who justify the VAT on private education by making sniffy comments about how the super-rich can afford to pay a bit more tax.
Someone else just made a comment about range rovers. It comes across as simple prejudice.

I understand the initial confusion because that was one of Labour's main messaging points around the policy, but if you keep repeating it after being informed of the facts more accurately, it begins to look like you care a lot less about fairness then you claim to.

This is tiny edge case. It strikes as whataboutery.

And following your sarcastic shall I use Google for you comment not sure you can take the moral high ground.

But the bottom line is in every tax and spend decision there are winners and losers. Overall I feel the losers here have reserves to sustain them and if we look at huge number of years when austerity has hit the poor time and again this feels like a small step at rebalancing.

My children are not "whataboutery" they are real people that matter just as much as everyone else.

I'm sorry for the huge crime of pointing out that the information was readily available and still you chose to insist that I obtain it for you.

I'm getting the impression that you're more interested in scoring points than the actual subject matter, so I'm going to leave it there, hope you enjoyed.

I'm sorry you're getting that impression. The large majority of private school children come from very wealthy families.

Many of them also claim to not be wealthy.

But if course it's me scoring points when you lashes out despite me simply asking a question.

The tax barely raises any revenue okay... Like as a % of the budget it's nothing.

Behavioural effects why would anyone want to decrease it when the simple act of private education has no negative impact to the person or to society. It's literally a good thing for the world. It's education and learning

And following your sarcastic shall I use Google for you comment not sure you can take the moral high ground.

If you enable "AI mode" in Google, you can get it to say what you want.

One non-AI Google result coming right up.

https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/education-law/394-education-news/100803-supreme-court-grants-permission-to-appeal-dismissal-of-legal-challenge-to-imposition-of-vat-on-private-school-fees

The reasons are on this thread pretty much. Nothing extra for state education but that’s ok as the op’s dc had to move sector.

And yet here you are still railing against the division and bitterness that your own posts embody. Plus ça change...

Not sure what your point is?

That I haven't been run off mumsnet or out of the country (yet) by fuckers who take my money and still wish my DC harm?

I'll take you all down from within. Mwah ha ha ha!

Or rather... I'll continue to do what's right for my family. At exactly the time that's best for my family.

And your take on what I choose to do is completely irrelevant to me.