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Would Labour voters be upset if joining the EU meant they could no longer tax children’s education?

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Blarneyspoco · 04/10/2026 12:03

Taxing children’s education is banned as part of EU membership. If the U.K. rejoined the EU, would Labour supporters be upset that they can no longer levy the tax or would it be seen as a necessary compromise.

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IdaGlossop · 05/10/2026 11:51

EasternStandard · 05/10/2026 11:40

And has it done that? Has it actually improved state education? Because there’s no change here.

Labour shot themselves in the foot by talking about funding the recruitment of 6,500 with the revenue raised from imposing VAT on private school fees. 6,500 teachers is about 1/3 of a teacher for each school, which would make no measurable difference. Furthrrmore, when you consider the offsetting of capital projects, the change is raising less revenue than Labour said it would.

Operationally, it could have been handled better, a PP have suggested. I suspect that civil servants overlooked the fact that about 30% of schools are SEN schools. Neither do I think they paid proper attention to the impact on small local communities through the loss of supporting businesses such as cafés, and landscaping and cleaning services.

Typo

BIossomtoes · 05/10/2026 11:52

SerendipityJane · 05/10/2026 11:48

When you nudge people away from drinking or smoking, you also save money on the NHS in the long term and they are more likely to be net tax contributors and have less social issues..

That was the bollocks spun at the time.

The problem is that ex (and non/never) smokers living longer has blown a hole in the benefits budget as the live longer into far more expensive needs.

When they popped their clogs earlier and removed the need to pay a pension for 30 years after retiring, they were contributors.

If you wanted honesty, then the government should have said that the smoking ban would need to be covered with extra taxes from somewhere.

It also ignores the fact that the revenue from taxation of tobacco and alcohol products outweighs the cost to the NHS of smoking and alcohol related diseases by several multiples.

Hedgerowmanager · 05/10/2026 11:54

randomchap · 05/10/2026 11:47

Or cycle, or take public transport

Are you serious?

Gardeners, plumbers, decorators?

How exactly do you expect them to use a bicycle?

SerendipityJane · 05/10/2026 11:54

Zzxzzz · 05/10/2026 11:50

Not everyone can afford an EV. Not everyone has access to public transport. Fuel duty is way too high. We need to bring the costs of essentials down down down

Not everyone can afford private education. Not everyone has access to private education.

ThreadGuardDog · 05/10/2026 11:54

EasternStandard · 05/10/2026 11:44

The intent but the outcome hasn’t happened? It was actually meant to improve state.

If that was always for the birds then the op has a point, it’s was political posturing without actually fulfilling the pledge.

But we’re not there yet are we ? The projection was to raise £1.8b per year for schools by 2030.

SerendipityJane · 05/10/2026 11:55

BIossomtoes · 05/10/2026 11:52

It also ignores the fact that the revenue from taxation of tobacco and alcohol products outweighs the cost to the NHS of smoking and alcohol related diseases by several multiples.

Outweighed

TemperanceWest · 05/10/2026 11:56

HelpMyBlackLabradorVotesReform · 05/10/2026 10:57

Another thing that poor voted for because they didn't want other people to have nice things.

61% of Tories didn't want other people to have nice things?

Blarneyspoco · 05/10/2026 12:00

SerendipityJane · 05/10/2026 11:54

Not everyone can afford private education. Not everyone has access to private education.

And now less people can.

Are we for widening children’s education options or narrowing? Do we want fewer schools or more schools?

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randomchap · 05/10/2026 12:00

Hedgerowmanager · 05/10/2026 11:54

Are you serious?

Gardeners, plumbers, decorators?

How exactly do you expect them to use a bicycle?

The cost of fuel is a cost of running those businesses, private citizens can choose to not pay the fuel duty by using alternatives

Duncantoldme2 · 05/10/2026 12:01

Zzxzzz · 05/10/2026 11:29

No need to make it even more expensive for others

Totally agree!

Zzxzzz · 05/10/2026 12:01

SerendipityJane · 05/10/2026 11:54

Not everyone can afford private education. Not everyone has access to private education.

Then let's not make it even more expensive.

IdaGlossop · 05/10/2026 12:02

ThreadGuardDog · 05/10/2026 11:05

Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t everyone get a vote ? And if you think being poor is all about not wanting wealthier people to have nice things you’re woefully out of touch.

@HelpMyBlackLabradorVotesReform is woefully out of touch - see my previous post on attitudes to state schools. Hers is a dystopian world: young people barely able to write their name, most state schools shit, parents without judgement, the spiteful poor. We'll all be fine when Nigel Farage is PM though, and dystopia transforms overnight into nirvana.

HelpMyBlackLabradorVotesReform · 05/10/2026 12:02

IdaGlossop · 05/10/2026 11:21

'Most state schools are so shit they aren't a viable choice for anyone with anyone sense.'

Your assertion doesn't make any sense. In the most recently published PISA tables, the principle source of information globally on the comparative educational achievement of pupils in 91 countries, Britain is in the top 10. That doesn't sound anything like a national disgrace.

Nor does it explain how around 50% of young people manage to go to university, complete their degree, and sit finals, despite barely being able to write their own name.

As 93% of pupils are educated in the state sector, you have insulted thousands of parents whose children are being educated there. Most of them have no choice, because private education is out of reach for them financially.

It our local school was only good 45% of kids would be leaving it pretty much illiterate. It may be good enough for you, but it isn't for me.

Zzxzzz · 05/10/2026 12:04

Like we all know this tax makes up 1% of the department of education budget... So even less than the total gov spend..it's pointless.

Look at what other countries do and why they don't do this!

HelpMyBlackLabradorVotesReform · 05/10/2026 12:04

TemperanceWest · 05/10/2026 11:56

61% of Tories didn't want other people to have nice things?

It wasn't the Tories finest hour.

Hedgerowmanager · 05/10/2026 12:04

randomchap · 05/10/2026 12:00

The cost of fuel is a cost of running those businesses, private citizens can choose to not pay the fuel duty by using alternatives

Can they?

Bring a sick child to hospital, the dog ti the vet, drive granny home, drop of the rubbish at the tips

If there is one thing the left loves more than anything is telling people what to do and how to do it and the punish them for their choices.

Icantbelieveitsnatcustard · 05/10/2026 12:05

EasternStandard · 05/10/2026 11:50

The pledge was 6,500 teachers for state. Is anyone in state seeing the benefit yet? No change here.

I think SEN children have suffered, unfortunately.

Judging by some of the threads on MN.

Zzxzzz · 05/10/2026 12:05

We could have sent our dc private. They got scholarships but we chose grammar. We don't begrudge anyone doing private schooling. I totally understand why. Some of the people and behaviour at the comprehensives.... I don't want my DC ending like that!

Icantbelieveitsnatcustard · 05/10/2026 12:06

BIossomtoes · 05/10/2026 11:52

It also ignores the fact that the revenue from taxation of tobacco and alcohol products outweighs the cost to the NHS of smoking and alcohol related diseases by several multiples.

You have to include vaping costs/benefits, too.

randomchap · 05/10/2026 12:07

Hedgerowmanager · 05/10/2026 12:04

Can they?

Bring a sick child to hospital, the dog ti the vet, drive granny home, drop of the rubbish at the tips

If there is one thing the left loves more than anything is telling people what to do and how to do it and the punish them for their choices.

What percentage of journeys involve that sort of thing? You're making a mockery of yourself now

dustabsorber · 05/10/2026 12:07

BIossomtoes · 05/10/2026 11:52

It also ignores the fact that the revenue from taxation of tobacco and alcohol products outweighs the cost to the NHS of smoking and alcohol related diseases by several multiples.

That's why vaping has been allowed to proliferate and if their take of alcohol taxes drops due to Gen Z not drinking the Govt will legalise cannabis. To prtect their revenues.

BIossomtoes · 05/10/2026 12:08

Icantbelieveitsnatcustard · 05/10/2026 12:06

You have to include vaping costs/benefits, too.

You don’t. Vaping is recommended by the NHS as an aid to give up smoking.

randomchap · 05/10/2026 12:08

HelpMyBlackLabradorVotesReform · 05/10/2026 12:02

It our local school was only good 45% of kids would be leaving it pretty much illiterate. It may be good enough for you, but it isn't for me.

Could you re-phrase that? Looks like some autocorrect has made it a little unintelligible, ironically

EasternStandard · 05/10/2026 12:08

ThreadGuardDog · 05/10/2026 11:54

But we’re not there yet are we ? The projection was to raise £1.8b per year for schools by 2030.

Why would it go up over the years? It’s caused private schools to close.

EasternStandard · 05/10/2026 12:09

Zzxzzz · 05/10/2026 12:04

Like we all know this tax makes up 1% of the department of education budget... So even less than the total gov spend..it's pointless.

Look at what other countries do and why they don't do this!

Yep.