That it's a massive waste of time, effort, money, lives and we should just bring them over by coach and ferry.

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I have just watched the video from earlier today/yesterday of a migrant boat departing Boulogne. The one where the Dad (presumably) ditches his toddler in the sea in order to get onto the boat. The kid was instantly picked up by French emergency workers and it struck me that this whole situation is completely bizarre.

There were approximately half a dozen lifeguards around the boat on jet skis and paddle boards, probably also a load of police out of frame. The boat will then be shadowed by French coastguard vessels until halfway across the channel, at which point border force/RNLI will pick them up and bring them to the UK. They will then be greated by coaches, a couple of hundred riot police and some (redacted by MNHQ) before continuing to their destination.

AIBU to think that this is all a total farce and we should simply provide the coaches from the outset?

YABU - The current arrangement is best.

YANBU - Coach and ferry would be better for everyone.

I’m not deliberately putting anyone to death, and I certainly haven’t said “see foreigner = kill them”. My point is that these people are making the decision to get onto boats and cross waters knowing that the journey can become dangerous.
I don’t believe that automatically means British rescue services should be expected to put their own people at risk to intervene. They made the decision to undertake the journey, and I think there should be an element of personal responsibility for that decision. That’s very different from deliberately killing someone.

My integrity and humanity aren’t obligations to care equally about everyone. I simply don’t have sympathy for people who choose to enter our country illegally and put themselves in dangerous situations to do so as I say they are drowning us so no I don’t believe we should all be compassionate because they aren’t here to integrate into our ways beliefs our integrity and humanity they are here to ruin, disobey, harm and cause upset so no I don’t feel an ounce for them and they should not be entering our country

But what are your intentions in saying to slash their boats? Just to make a point in making it take them longer to swim to the shore, or for them to drown? They're clearly not going to be able to swim back 20 miles or more, so what alternative is there? What do you envisage is going to happen to them if you just slash their boats when they're in the middle of the Channel?

I’m not saying I want them to drown. I’m saying I don’t think people should be making these crossings in the first place, and I don’t think our rescue services should be expected to repeatedly put themselves at risk to facilitate them. My view is that they should be intercepted safely, taken back to the land they departed from, and then transported back to their country through the appropriate process rather than being brought into the UK.
So no, I’m not suggesting they should be left in the middle of the Channel to drown. I’m saying I believe the crossings should be stopped and people returned safely rather than allowing the journey to end with them arriving here.

I personally don’t care about them I don’t sit here and think about them dying but I don’t care about them to want to reach our country I want them to remain in their own.

I just don’t understand why the boats can’t be slashed before they put to sea . The reasons seem to be that the French police are afraid of the migrants, and also they’re happy to get rid of them.

France needs to close their borders. The next thing will be the migrants who have been granted citizenship in Spain will travel through France as per Schengen and then jettison their documents en route to UK.

Another problem is the do-gooders, hundreds of whom are funded by the taxpayer. I was reading about the poor people in Ceuta who have been swamped not just by migrants, but by an army of people busying themselves with making the migrants as comfortable as possible and facilitating their desire to get to Europe.

Yes, I’m not saying it’s a good thing they’re coming here. But just explaining the reasoning to the thickos on here who always say wHy dOnT tHeY sTaY iN fRaNcE

This is exactly how the UK should have it slums for them to come into rather than hotels we shouldn’t give a fuck as much as the French don’t and then maybe they would stop coming all together- it makes sense we don’t want them here but they are given 5* treatment. Let’s mirror France with their poor conditions and lack of things and see how many try to enter or stay.

Haha I'm reading through the thread, but I'm certain that this one will be the winner.

They'll queue! They'll all presumably walk around with briefcases and bowler hats and hold doors open for ladies from the moment they reach the Kent coast, too?

Surely the path to total integration into British society for men who ditch babies floating in the channel will be super easy and take a matter of days. If you disagree, you're a far-right racist who has a picture of Nigel Farage as your screensaver.

Bless you- I didn’t mean, make a nice line at the side of the road until they made it to the front! I meant something more like social housing here. A nominal queue that can take years, and you do your best in the meantime- and may take yourself off the list before you get to the top.
With an organised safe route available, people may prefer to wait over risking their and their babies’ lives.

Sadly seems to be a global issue. Right wing men like to imagine their "enemy" as not human and killing them as a victory or even something to be cheered for.
That is the narrative their leaders push, at any rate. That's why they have to dehumanise them and call them migrants rather than refugees fleeing persecution and bombs.

That's because some of them are economic migrants.

Yes I know but thoroughly fed up with the whole situation

Yes, I would say most of them are economic migrants.

The refugees in WW2 were women, children and elderly people, trudging though the snow with a bundle of rags on their backs, fleeing for their lives. Not an able bodied young man among them.

Now we get thousands of fit young men a military age, paying a fortune to criminal gangs to get into soft touch Britain. They are economic migrants. They should be detained, processed offshore and for the vast majority, deported.

Absolutely, that would shut down the pull factor. Although I would prefer it if we set up offshore processing so they don't even set foot on our precious land.

France has migrant tent cities along the Seine in Paris, unhygienic and a real eyesore. All of Europe needs to protect itself and not let these people set foot on our homelands. Poland does this and what a clean, safe country it is.

So, OP, how many can we put down to stay at your house?

Yes, it's quite incredible the naivity of the pro-migrant lobby. It helps that they usually have very little experience of asylum seekers as they tend to live in nice, safe, middle class neighbourhoods, far too expensive for the govt to consider as a dispersal area or to set up HMOs.

Say it loud
Say it clear
Refugees are welcome ... there