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AIBU to think many people of the UK lack confidence in the current government?

48 replies

CoventryCity · Today 10:45

AIBU to think that the majority of people in the UK don't have any confidence in the current government, with an unelected Prime Minister at its' helm?

Would people be willing to vote on a petition to have a parliamentary debate on this matter, to encourage this government to have a snap General Election? This would give the people - the tax payers - as say in who is running the country. Democracy in action, if you will.

AIBU - people are happy with Labour and the unelected PM

YANBU - people have a democratic right to vote for who they want to run the country and right now, the majority don't have confidence in the current government.

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MyManinCaracas · Today 11:24

Spoonfeddoomfed · Today 10:58

I lack confidence in the UK population and media. The triple lock must be scrapped. It’s madness. Do we trust pensioners - many of which are pretty selfish and don’t understand the wider economic context- and the daily mail not to whip people up into thinking they’re being robbed? No we don’t. So the policy won’t go through and people’s lives will keep getting worse.

lol you’re so delusional and uneducated it’s embarrassing.

CoventryCity · Today 11:25

Anarchy99 · Today 10:59

Why is Burnham so fixated on the north to the exclusion of the rest of the country? To the extent that he’s happy to spend money with his ridiculous No 10 North.

Yep that too. He's an old school northerner, brought up to bear a grudge (I know I was one of them). Like the fact he mentioned Thatcher the other day. Pitiful.

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CoventryCity · Today 11:26

You couldn't make it up. Oh wait. Yes you could. Same old Labour utter hypocrisy.

Fury grows at pro-immigration Labour MP now upset at migrants moving to her town

The Labour MP has fumed at the Government's plan to house 1,200 migrants in North Yorkshire.

A Labour MP has been branded a "hypocrite" after opposing a Government plan to house migrants near her constituency. Rachael Maskell fumed at the proposal to house 1,200 at RAF Linton-on-Ouse in North Yorkshire, mentioning shortages of water, sewage capacity and the supply of electricity. “It’s just the wrong site," she said, adding that the base is located next to a primary school and nursery. There are only four buses a day into York, Ms Maskell also said.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2239005/fury-immigration-labour-mp-migrants-raf

Fury grows at pro-immigration Labour MP now upset at migrants moving to her town

Bit rich, that

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2239005/fury-immigration-labour-mp-migrants-raf

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Smokeywater · Today 11:28

Only 4buses into York a day - don’t worry the immigrants will get bikes and minibuses to ferry them around like here

JenniElection · Today 11:28

Anarchy99 · Today 11:22

Do you live in the north by any chance?

Yes in the heartlands of labour all my life.

In a place of Pankhurst, Engels and Tony Wilson . If there’s going to be a revolution then Ive always believed it will start here .

Monday gave me some hope all is not lost.

20thCenturyFecks · Today 11:29

Yawn. No more or less than the previous incumbents. Don't know what you're expecting really. A miracle and a magic wand?

Smokeywater · Today 11:29

Yes blaming Thatcher is feeding the Trolls a bit -I’m surprised younger people have heard of her

CoventryCity · Today 11:29

AdeleRochester · Today 10:53

He is not “unelected”. The electorate don’t vote for a Prime Minister the party in power does.

I don’t think the party behaved that well pushing out Keir Starmer but they didn’t break any rules.

Elections are extremely expensive, I can think of far better ways for the government to use that money.

Apart from anything else it’s a dreadful approach to just chuck out any PM who doesn't wave a magic wand and change things overnight.

Change takes time. We aren’t children to be demanding instant gratification. There’s a reason governments get a set minimum term to try to fulfil their manifesto.

😂Ok. So 25 (approx) votes from Ashton in Makerfield, and then a few from his own party - and now he's the PM (having dumped Manchester, except when he wanted to install a cartoon and inexplicable 'No 10' fake door. No 10 what???). Give me strength.

Treating the electorate with contempt at every turn.

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Spoonfeddoomfed · Today 11:30

MyManinCaracas · Today 11:24

lol you’re so delusional and uneducated it’s embarrassing.

If you say so.

Winter fuel allowance. My mum put that towards her new skis last year. She took 2 skiing holidays last year, a cruise, a trekking holiday and 3 city breaks. And she STILL gets the winter fuel allowance even after the changes. She fully supports the government saying that pensioners don’t need these freebies and yet the screaming outrage from many pensioners and the media when the government tried to remove it from those like her was hysterical. These people aren’t willing to think of anyone other than themselves. How do you govern in such a situation?

CoventryCity · Today 11:33

Smokeywater · Today 11:28

Only 4buses into York a day - don’t worry the immigrants will get bikes and minibuses to ferry them around like here

Bikes and buses that tax payers pay for. Along with

free accommodation
free legal fees
free bills
doctors
dentists
food

etc etc

When I say free what I mean to say is - paid for by the tax paying mugs

As long as they've read the gvt leaflet to not rape the locals. We will be fine. Wont we?

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Anarchy99 · Today 11:36

JenniElection · Today 11:28

Yes in the heartlands of labour all my life.

In a place of Pankhurst, Engels and Tony Wilson . If there’s going to be a revolution then Ive always believed it will start here .

Monday gave me some hope all is not lost.

Well that is predictable. The north will have plenty of money thrown at it as he has wanged on about it since he took the job. He doesn’t shut up about Greater Manchester.

If only he gave a shit about the rest of the country (or even realised it existed). There are bankrupt councils all round the country who won’t be fit to be devolved.

But it leaves him free to concentrate on what matters to him most. I’m sure other places will be like yours and everyone up there will think he’s great.

CoventryCity · Today 11:38

VividZebra · Today 11:13

Blatant misinformation and use of Mumsnet to promote extremist hate-politics? Who are you? Elon Musk?

😂'extremist hate politics' - what? Can you hear yourself? I guess you have a different opinion - maybe you disagree with me? Just guessing. Unhinged.

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Anarchy99 · Today 11:39

Spoonfeddoomfed · Today 11:30

If you say so.

Winter fuel allowance. My mum put that towards her new skis last year. She took 2 skiing holidays last year, a cruise, a trekking holiday and 3 city breaks. And she STILL gets the winter fuel allowance even after the changes. She fully supports the government saying that pensioners don’t need these freebies and yet the screaming outrage from many pensioners and the media when the government tried to remove it from those like her was hysterical. These people aren’t willing to think of anyone other than themselves. How do you govern in such a situation?

Ah well as long as your mum puts it towards that then everyone must be raking it in.

Pensioners on pension credits are better off than those who are just drawing a standard state pension. I see people who have worked all their lives now struggling.

Agrumpyknitter · Today 11:41

CoventryCity · Today 10:57

Why is Labour - who are supposed to look after their electorate - covering up sex crime statistics?

The migrant crime cover up
Why is Labour fighting to keep migrant crime statistics secret?

The Labour government has taken the egregious step of launching a legal bid to prevent the publication of migrant crime statistics.
Following a ruling by the Information Commissioner’s Office that the Ministry of Justice had “not demonstrated” any justifiable reason for withholding 2018 to 2024 data on convictions by nationality, the first instinct of former Justice Secretary, David Lammy was to go running to the courts.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-migrant-crime-cover-up/

Maybe your petition should focus on this issue. You might have more luck in getting it signed.

CorporalJohn · Today 11:45

We DO have an elected Prime Minister. He was elected by his Party.
Under the constitution, the people vote for the party and the party votes for the PM, subject, in theory, to the King's approval.

EVERY Prime Minister is "unelected" if by that you mean he was not voted in by the electorate.

YABU.

YourWatermelonship · Today 11:47

Getting both with these threads now.

Burnham must be doing something right

YourWatermelonship · Today 11:48

*bored FFS autocorrect

MyBoyIsHungryToday · Today 11:54

The older I get (fifties now) the more I realise how little we are being told.

So much happens where we are not told the whole story or full picture and for a while this seemed to have kept everything in order.

Too much is going wrong now and there are too little resources in the UK (rats scrapping in a barrel)

Politicians, even the ones that start out with good intentions, quickly become disillusioned. It's tough to stand up to everyone and try to bring in change which is painful in the short term but necessary for the long term.

I think we have real problems now in the UK. For a long time we got rid of our manufacturing and became a service industry country. Now we appear to be losing that as well and the thought has crossed my mind the taking in immigrants is becoming our next 'industry'. I can't believe money is not changing hands for this. Perhaps it's some kind of political pressure/blackmail or perhaps someone is getting rich of it. A failing, struggling country with unemployed youngsters, crumbling public services and dire finances cannot seriously think taking in unskilled men with dodgy law abiding abilities will benefit the country. Unless of course something is happening that we are not being told about. Like the UK is practically bankrupt and we are getting paid to take them. I mean why not. Some third world countries get paid to take others toxic waste.

Our finances in the UK are in a bad way. We spend more than we raise and so we borrow each month. Bad enough but now the price we pay to borrow has risen quite alot. As our bonds fall due for repayment they will be refinanced at higher interest rates. So we already can't pay our bills without borrowing. Now we will borrow at higher rates (and repay the lower interest bonds) so without doing anything our outgoings will increase. The only way we are getting out of this trap is to reduce our debt and have our interest payments reduced by showing the market the country is taking tough steps to fix things. Until then markets will continue to price the UK as a country losing the plot.

This week our 3rd highest taxpayer announced his plans to leave the country. He pays hundreds of millions of pounds per year in tax.

I afraid we need to change pretty much everything. We need growth and investment because that is the only way in the longer term. In the meantime we need serious financial cuts to just about everything - welfare, triple lock, sen, the whole bloody lot.

Or we keep going until we combust.

mopandsmiff · Today 11:56

Oh bore off, I don’t know what your agenda is, but you clearly have one.

I am a proud patriot, and I support the British prime minister, even if I didn’t personally vote for him/her, because I want the country to be strong and to succeed. That means teamwork. I may have different ideas, which I will express at the next general election. Until then, I don’t think that sniping at the government will achieve anything other than to weaken it. Which is clearly what you hope for. Take your ulterior motives elsewhere.

TellingBone · Today 11:59

Not another one. 🙄

EasternStandard · Today 12:01

mopandsmiff · Today 11:56

Oh bore off, I don’t know what your agenda is, but you clearly have one.

I am a proud patriot, and I support the British prime minister, even if I didn’t personally vote for him/her, because I want the country to be strong and to succeed. That means teamwork. I may have different ideas, which I will express at the next general election. Until then, I don’t think that sniping at the government will achieve anything other than to weaken it. Which is clearly what you hope for. Take your ulterior motives elsewhere.

Were you on mn pre the last GE. The site was full of similar threads.

OutOfTheOtherSide · Today 12:01

Your AIBU vote is flawed. I don't have a great deal of confidence but I absolutely do not want another general election. You cannot assume that people who are dissatisfied with the government so far would automatically want another GE. We have already wasted a shit tonne of money re-electing the incompetent reform idiot to his post, the last thing this country needs is to spunk yet more money on pointless elections.

Thepeopleversuswork · Today 12:03

You're asking a ridiculous question and you probably know it. At any given time in history a proportion of people will not have confidence in any government. That would have been true if you'd done a poll at any time in the past several hundred years so I'm sure it's true now. All that tells you is that not everyone is 100% satisfied with the government. Outside of North Korea or maybe China, that would be true of every country in the world.

As to whether this government is more or less popular than previous ones, it's a bit early to say, they've only had their feet under the desk for a few weeks but I'd say they are definitively more popular than the last one (and the one before). Again, that really doesn't tell you much.

Then you pivot into talking about sex crimes out of nowhere: unclear why this topic in particular has been highlighted which leads me to conclude it's a bit of trolling.

If you want to troll, at least find a proper thesis to troll with, instead of asking the blandest and most meaningless questions.

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