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Masked men at Dover - KKK vibes

787 replies

MumofCandR · Yesterday 11:53

They are utter cowards and hypocritical. The same ilk will state they're against the burkha and protests by environmental groups etc. but are happy to mask their faces in 'protest' the reality is they're just nasty specimens of humanity, full of people with self righteous white supremacy tendencies. AIBU.

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smallglassbottle · Yesterday 16:26

Funny how the leftists always have to turn to nasty insults regarding the working class.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 16:27

WinterGold · Yesterday 16:26

Presumably the pro Gaza bloke from Kneecap didn’t get the memo?

Cringeworthy.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 16:28

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 16:26

Funny how the leftists always have to turn to nasty insults regarding the working class.

Always the way and personal attacks on other posters. They then complain that threads and posts are deleted. You will see the pattern.

InterestedDad37 · Yesterday 16:29

Madamefroufrou · Yesterday 16:21

my word, you are an aggressive bombastic poster, here among us on a Sunday

😂😂😂

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 16:29

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 16:28

Always the way and personal attacks on other posters. They then complain that threads and posts are deleted. You will see the pattern.

I do indeed see. I have my bingo card and it's almost full 😁

EasternStandard · Yesterday 16:30

Madamefroufrou · Yesterday 16:21

my word, you are an aggressive bombastic poster, here among us on a Sunday

Ha well put.

Stairlifter · Yesterday 16:30

Genuinely can't believe that so many are responding to 'Aren't the Dover protesters terrible?' with 'What about masked left wing protesters?'

Both are terrible!!! Condemn both!! Jesus Christ...

Septembersunrays · Yesterday 16:30

@Smokeywater it was far far more than 300000 ! And no one counted anyone in !
We only knew when services began crumbling under the weight ,maternity wards closed and so on .

Blair is a terrible terrible man

Weeellokthen · Yesterday 16:30

Because of the failure of government to protect us/our borders, I genuinely fear for my friends/colleagues from India, Pakistan and Africa who came here legitimately. I worry they are to become collateral damage with the rise of right.
People have become v worried about undocumented males roaming our streets.

Cobrakainerd · Yesterday 16:30

I don't support them, but can see why they are doing it. Not keen on the 'black uniform' but I wonder how it was orchestrated.
Unfortunately years of government doing precisely what they want regardless of the infrastructure not being in place, people, particularly the lower socioeconomic sector feeling disenfranchised is going to create this.
We have a prison crisis, we have enough home grown criminals without importing the 3rd world's ones as well. We have a housing crisis, 1000s of people on waiting lists in every major town, yet accommodation is provided and once processed they join those lists.
We have a health crisis, NHS at breaking point.

We gave a education crisis, Schools are at breaking point, teachers leaving, SEN massively underfunded, kids in disruptive classes.
Yes, we know many sectors would collapse without immigrants but those same immigrants also are needing housing, healthcare, education, its a ponzi scheme.

The country is allegedly unable to afford to fund the infrastructure so common sense says restrict the need for additional infrastructure!
Unless the government get a grip and quickly, social media will provoke people who normally wouldn't pay attention to this type of protest to start to think they need to 'do something' . Conspiracy theories also get traction.

ErroltheSwampDragon · Yesterday 16:31

watchinginhorror · Yesterday 16:14

My friend’s brother has been in prison since before PA were designated as a terrorist organisation. I’m not sure what he did, other than attend a protest. It seems neither are the government as they haven’t brought him to trial as there is nothing a jury can convict him of.

Given that the government cannot hold you in prison beyond a short period without charging you, and after you've been charged its up to a judge to grant bail, or not. Given he's apparently been held for more than a year what has he been charged with? It must be pretty serious.

Septembersunrays · Yesterday 16:31

Weeellokthen · Yesterday 16:30

Because of the failure of government to protect us/our borders, I genuinely fear for my friends/colleagues from India, Pakistan and Africa who came here legitimately. I worry they are to become collateral damage with the rise of right.
People have become v worried about undocumented males roaming our streets.

Exactly being weak on it protects no one and helps no one and creates fear.

ElizaMulvil · Yesterday 16:31

GaaNeen · Yesterday 14:54

Not my style of protest
BUT
I get it, the masks and the uniformity of appearance because to speak out about the ongoing flow of male economic migrants from misogynistic cultures brings cries of racism and repercussions because of this -

But how do people in the UK who are concerned /
terrified of the loss of border control to illegal entrants get heard ?

i think most don’t want to vote Reform / Restore
most support legitimate asylum seekers particularly from the most vulnerable - children and women and feel utter despair about the invasion of men on the Kent coast

You do not know that they approve of misogynistic cultures.They may well be leaving precisely because they don't. It is likely that they are being sent on ahead to find a safe route for their families, women and children. It is very dangerous and physically impossible for young children, the old, women etc to cross borders of countries with no functioning government or where their families may already have been targeted by the rebels in a civil war.

In failed States where there is no functioning government people often have no birth certificates or passports. Rival criminal gangs are rife.

We have brought this problem on ourselves by people having no route to apply for asylum until they are physically here. They may well be coming from eg Afghanistan, a country where those who supported us are now in danger of being killed. (They may speak English which would make life easier for them than eg France or Germany. They may already have relations here. )

The next safe country to Afghanistan is Pakistan who have returned a million to Afghanistan where they are now in grave danger, no homes, no means of earning a living. Many will starve.

It is very difficult to imagine the horrors these people have endured. We had the same problems in WW2 where the Government wouldn't allow the opponents of Hitler to enter despite knowing that refusal meant certain death in concentration camps.

Many countries allow asylum seekers to work either immediately or very quickly.eg
Australia, Canada, Sweden, Portugal - almost immediately
Germany after 3 months
Belgium after 4 months
USA, Netherlands after 6 months.
It make no sense to keep them in poverty for years on end when they could /should be contributing to our country and both they and us would benefit.
NB We have a very low birth rate ( which will break this country in the future if we don't do something about it. Annual deaths are projected to outnumber births for the first time in modern history a 'baby bust'.( See the Government list of jobs where there is a shortage btw.)

Asylum seekers allowances.
( £49.18 a week for food, clothing, toiletries. Self catered accommodation £49.18 per person per week, Catered accommodation eg hotels (£9.50 per week. Pregnant women + £5.25 per week, Babies under 1 year old extra £9.50 per week, Children 1-3 extra £5.25 per week.)

Cost Repayment Law
Adults who are granted refugee status and find employment are required to repay upto £10,000 to the Home Office. ( Works similar to student loans. and must be paid off before the person can claim settled status.)

WinterGold · Yesterday 16:31

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 16:26

Funny how the leftists always have to turn to nasty insults regarding the working class.

Always do.
Won’t be long before the predicable words “ fascist” and “Nazi” are then bandied about.

Godwin’s Law always comes into play eventually.

https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/godwins-law

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https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/godwins-law

EasternStandard · Yesterday 16:31

WinterGold · Yesterday 16:16

I do.

i object to any man or woman covering their face whether for religious or political reasons.

Human interaction relies heavily on facial expressions and non-verbal cues. Masking the face can be seen as creating a barrier to trust, social connection, and integration within a community.

Consequently, I don’t trust anyone who attends a demonstration of any political persuasion who wears a mask. We are in a democracy, you don’t need to hide your face unless you have nefarious reasons.
A woman wearing a burqa is being denied agency; she is being intentionally isolated and denied integration and controlled by men.

Yes fair points. I see more women with faces covered than I have the men the op objects to.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 16:32

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 16:29

I do indeed see. I have my bingo card and it's almost full 😁

😆 🤣

Vivi0 · Yesterday 16:33

ClaudettedeBeauvoir · Yesterday 15:56

Unfortunately a majority of voters (probably mostly those more likely to support Reform/Restore) voted for the exact conditions which were the catalyst for the small boat trafficking - Brexit.

Have you been to Europe recently?

The UK isn’t even as bad as many European countries…yet.

Brexit is irrelevant.

Gloriia · Yesterday 16:36

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 16:12

No, not for me. I see citizens at the end of their tether, trying to bring attention to an issue that the government is ignoring. It is unfortunate to it has come to this.
Before the pounce. I’m sure many wanted to call trouble but others want to hid their face while protesting as it’s frowned upon, people are getting arrested for tweeting, they’d definitely lose their job for protesting at Dover.,

Totally agree. Not one arrest and of course they hide their faces lest they get sacked for being 'far right'.
Good for them.
I find trans activists running about in wigs and dresses shouting 'decapitate terfs' and 'burn anyone who disagrees with us' far more threatening.

Cherry8809 · Yesterday 16:37

Personally I’d feel a lot safer locked in a room with a bunch of anonymous balaclava-clad right wingers than a bunch of fresh off the boat migrants that we know nothing about 🤷🏻‍♀️

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 16:38

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 16:26

Funny how the leftists always have to turn to nasty insults regarding the working class.

Do they ?

I am left wing working class. And what I see is Reform folk endlessly playing the victim card, with no basis in truth.

It's an electioneering ploy, to yell out "see how they persecute us". With no evidence for this "persecution" presented.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 16:39

Cherry8809 · Yesterday 16:37

Personally I’d feel a lot safer locked in a room with a bunch of anonymous balaclava-clad right wingers than a bunch of fresh off the boat migrants that we know nothing about 🤷🏻‍♀️

...or the Antifa and Palestine Action Group thugs, who don't think twice about attacking women.

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 16:41

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 16:38

Do they ?

I am left wing working class. And what I see is Reform folk endlessly playing the victim card, with no basis in truth.

It's an electioneering ploy, to yell out "see how they persecute us". With no evidence for this "persecution" presented.

Read the posts here. Endless insults.

LocalHobo · Yesterday 16:41

Because of the failure of government to protect us/our borders, I genuinely fear for my friends/colleagues from India, Pakistan and Africa who came here legitimately. I worry they are to become collateral damage with the rise of right.

^ This

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 16:42

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 16:41

Read the posts here. Endless insults.

I did read the post. Where are the endless insults ?

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 16:43

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 16:38

Do they ?

I am left wing working class. And what I see is Reform folk endlessly playing the victim card, with no basis in truth.

It's an electioneering ploy, to yell out "see how they persecute us". With no evidence for this "persecution" presented.

Nobody is talking about persecution. The pp was referring to the usual sneery language aimed at WC not daring to vote Labour. Not to mention the presumptions about intellect. I agree also on the bingo card @smallglassbottle