Masked men at Dover - KKK vibes

[MumofCandR]

They are utter cowards and hypocritical. The same ilk will state they're against the burkha and protests by environmental groups etc. but are happy to mask their faces in 'protest' the reality is they're just nasty specimens of humanity, full of people with self righteous white supremacy tendencies. AIBU.

And not all refugees or immigrants are “wrong ‘uns” either.

Who said they were?

You are extrapolating from your personal view to assume everyone feels the same. The reality shown by opinion polls is different, and Reform are losing support as people see what grifters they are.

There have been an awful lot of one-offs over the past couple of years.
You're right, we mustn't notice.

Why “religious reasons apart”? What else are you happy to give a free pass to because “it’s religion”? Gay conversion therapy? Animal abuse? Little girls having their labia cut with a razor blade?

Who decides which practices are acceptable because they’re religious, and which aren’t? Does the religion of the victim matter? If not, why not?
Do you see how contradictory that is? If something is wrong or threatening, why should the justification of “religion” change that?

But it does show an issue with the system, which many want to change.

White working class boys are often identified as having poor educational outcomes. They grow into men competing for low paid jobs, which are disappearing. Who is listening to communities that have been changed out of recognition over the last twenty plus years? I can’t imagine there were many mega earners from lovely middle class enclaves taking part.

I’m tired of anyone who doesn’t agree with left wing ideology on immigration and on women’s rights to single sex spaces, being labelled as far right. Most people just want a society that is relatively safe, and that doesn’t put minority rights above those of the majority, like some of the recent actions by police.

Cringe.

Agree with @ThatJadeLionNeither group covers itself with glory.

Well obviously. Thing is if anyone enters the country illegally without documentation we've no idea of criminal records do we?

The whole point of Dover was to show the people who believe they're in control that the only control they really have is what the people allow them to have. Without the use of social media or monitored communication methods, the right were able to raise a small army. The message was loud & clear & will only get louder if it continues to fall on deaf ears.

So anyone who doesn't share your views is a brain washed Communist and a traitor? Being left wing makes a person by default a danger to the state? And you are gloating that such people have been (apparantly) intimidated into silence other than on SM by your 'brave boys'?
And you want us to vote for Restore so we can have more of this type of thing?
This is your vote winner for Lowe? If you don't mind me saying, it needs work.

Who said all white men were wrong uns?

'a small army' organised and led by a man with drugs and violence related convictions. What could go wrong?

Well the reaction to my original point was quite dramatic. Almost as though it was unheard of to suggest white people can also be victims of prejudice.

So no one…gotcha

I’m not sure I’d agree it’s as simple as the government downplaying concerns at all.

Successive governments have restricted the rules on immigration and set themselves (often unachievable) targets on reducing net migration. They have played into concerns about migration for decades, and now find themselves unable to meet the unquenchable appetite of a minority who think migration is the cause of all their problems.

At this point I’d support a government that said fine, let’s give in to these loudmouths. Let’s have super restrictive immigration rules, no more shortage occupation lists, off shore detention for irregular arrivals. It will cost a fortune, economy will suffer and the social care so many poor families do and will rely on will dry up, hospitality will nosedive, but here, this is what you wanted. Those of us with money and opportunities will go somewhere else, and it can be like a post-Soviet dystopia for the rest.

Did you have a point after all that?

Until they’re checked, we’ve no idea of anyone’s criminal record. We know about Danny Tommo’s though - a man so talented he tried to kidnap the wrong person. And we know about Tommy Robinson’s multiple frauds. I guess we’re supposed to overlook those though, and just trust these ‘brave boys’?

Keep trying.

That's exactly the kind of complacency that will bury the new left.

As the consequences of such a drastic and sudden change to society move into the suburbs, more of the educated middle classes are being directly affected. And many of us still consider ourselves left-wing because we believe in the fundamental principles of democracy — yet we're now being called right-wing for holding those same beliefs.

The new right isn't who you think it is. If you genuinely believe Tommy Robinson is the movement, rather than a media-facing stooge being used to give it a recognisable face, you need to take another look.

Don't underestimate what is happening. There is money behind it, organisation behind it, and an increasingly large pool of educated people who either support it or sympathise with its grievances.

You can dismiss the people involved, mock their leaders and tell yourself they're extremists. But every time you do that, you make the same mistake: you convince yourselves that anyone who disagrees with you is an extremist rather than asking why they're increasingly prepared to walk away from you.

That isn't going to make them disappear. It's going to make them stronger.

Thing is, those without money will be stuck here while the loudmouths move onto their next demand. I didn't vote for Gaz and Trev, fannying about Dover in their balaclavas and I don't want them running the country.
The government that was voted in needs to do the job the way they think fit, and if we don't think its good enough, we vote for someone else.

And people - mostly young men between the ages of 18 - 39 - also dump their passports and paperwork before they get into a dinghy because “they do not wish to be identified”

Does that make them “far right” and “disturbing “ too?

These are the “victims” of war, oppression and prejudice, who are quite happy to leave their women and children behind the consequences.

If any one of my family was under threat, we would stick together - even with young children - no matter how hard it might be. There is no way either myself or my husband would leave either behind to face any consequences alone.

These people are simply economic migrants taking full advantage a soft system.

You’ll need to find somewhere not also changing border control.

But white working class girls don’t suffer the same poor educational outcomes. So what’s the root cause? It’s not easily explained by class or ethnicity. What we really have is working class men who find themselves unable to compete for unskilled jobs even against men who don’t speak the same language. We have minimum wage laws so if they’re competing for legal jobs it’s not just about immigrant workers accepting lower pay either. Immigration, expectation, attitude, skills, ambition, all those things play a part. For sure there are immigrants who come here and don’t contribute but most evidence shows people come here to better their lives, and that means working. Maybe more white British men should travel and work abroad, expand their skills and horizons.

Spoken like an extremist.