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Masked men at Dover - KKK vibes

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MumofCandR · Yesterday 11:53

They are utter cowards and hypocritical. The same ilk will state they're against the burkha and protests by environmental groups etc. but are happy to mask their faces in 'protest' the reality is they're just nasty specimens of humanity, full of people with self righteous white supremacy tendencies. AIBU.

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Baldrapunzel · Yesterday 18:30

Gloriia · Yesterday 18:26

I know! We had a pp saying the peaceful protestors were dressed up as the SS. So weve had the op's excitable it's like the KKK! then the SS what next?! Hitler himself perhaps.

Who knew a few people quietly and calmly protesting could rattle some so much.

Why were they protesting at Dover's port? Do they have something against hauliers, or people off to Brittany on their hols? Why did they all feel the need to wear head to toe black, and ski masks? It's almost as if they were told to wear the get up to look intimidating, otherwise surely most of them would have been in trackies, jeans or shorts and t-shirts.

GaaNeen · Yesterday 18:31

5128gap · Yesterday 18:20

No we wouldn't.
Obviously not all people who are anti the small boat crossings are white supremacists.
But it's a safe enough bet that all white supremacists are anti the small boat crossings, and that they would be highly likely to be amongst the protesters.
These men were masked so we don't know who they are, what they believe or how far they'd go. We've already seen people setting fire to buildings housing immigrants and hurling missiles at homes with children inside.
There are some highly dangerous men who are 'anti small boat crossings' and i can't fathom why you'd want to pretend that they and ordinary people concerned about immigration are one and the same just because they both want to stop the boats.

I take your point that racists WILL be anti boats
and that not all anti boats people are racists
thanks

Dersie · Yesterday 18:31

MumofCandR · Yesterday 14:43

The majority? Love bold statements without evidence.

Yes the majority

Anyahyacinth · Yesterday 18:31

GaaNeen · Yesterday 18:27

Thank you for your response -
the Ukraine response is interesting -
my thoughts are that we saw on the media whole families and even their pets on the move and seeking safety - this was more distressing and relatable

with the small boats we see swaths of men - that never feels good (Reaction to Dover protest included)

Ukraine was a Europe problem -
that feels more of an ‘us’ problem

the small boats carrying the economic migrant men from eastern Europe are hard to empathise with - the UK can’t compensate for Eastern European economic difficulties-
and the men from Afghanistan, Syria, Iran etc it seems nonsensical that they don’t seek refuge in the multiple countries that they pass through on the way to UK,

It’s all mega divide and rule distraction from the very wealthy extracting wealth and asset stripping out countries ….in old folk homes profits, sewage in every river but 100 of millions of profits extracted to share holders and more. It’s a ‘look over here, be afraid’ distraction. I live by a migrant dispersal centre and see nothing but contribution and participation ..vibrant interesting additions to our society.

Unless we have gone mad as a society and claim we don’t have home grown vile rapists and murderers too?

Madamefroufrou · Yesterday 18:32

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 18:30

When you know it really is time to stop wasting precious time on a thread. 👋

yes exactly - time’s up, folks, @metameta here is your bus fare,
take yourself off home now chuck

Pineneedlesincarpet · Yesterday 18:33

Stairlifter · Yesterday 17:37

But what does it actually mean though? I bet the 59% of people think a thousand different things. What could they do, how could they do it, and do we have the right kit and personnel to do it? I have no idea. Military intervention is barely more useful a phrase than stop the boats.

Well they built the nightingale hospitals without a single shot being fired as far as I'm aware. Perhaps they would build some electronic warning system in the channel or a huge net across the dividing line. Who knows? Luckily I'm not in charge of thinking of something. The important thing is that the military seems to be wheeled out when the apparatus of civilian government is failing. Which it clearly is. As the military do a proper effective job.

Gloriia · Yesterday 18:33

Anyway. Try not to let the media whip you up so much op. You'll make yourself ill if you carry on thinking peaceful protestors are like the KKK and will burn everyone's homes. Do you get out much? Flowers.

Switchnow · Yesterday 18:33

Dersie · Yesterday 18:29

Stop with the white supremacy bullshit.
As a white woman id feel a million times safer walking alongside with these protesting uk men with their faces covered, than those coming into the country illegally, with no documentation after fleeing their own countries, fearing for their lives, mostly because they are wanted, serious criminals themselves.

And as a black British woman with mixed race daughters and a son, I would not feel comfortable being in the street, or a train carriage, with silent, balaclava clad men, or knowing my children were. And if you think my comfort matters less than yours, I’d consider you a white supremacist.

MumofCandR · Yesterday 18:33

Dersie · Yesterday 18:29

Stop with the white supremacy bullshit.
As a white woman id feel a million times safer walking alongside with these protesting uk men with their faces covered, than those coming into the country illegally, with no documentation after fleeing their own countries, fearing for their lives, mostly because they are wanted, serious criminals themselves.

If that's the case I pity you and nothing can be done for you.

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Anyahyacinth · Yesterday 18:35

Dersie · Yesterday 18:29

Stop with the white supremacy bullshit.
As a white woman id feel a million times safer walking alongside with these protesting uk men with their faces covered, than those coming into the country illegally, with no documentation after fleeing their own countries, fearing for their lives, mostly because they are wanted, serious criminals themselves.

Serious criminals who can’t just fly in on private jet??

Gloriia · Yesterday 18:36

Baldrapunzel · Yesterday 18:30

Why were they protesting at Dover's port? Do they have something against hauliers, or people off to Brittany on their hols? Why did they all feel the need to wear head to toe black, and ski masks? It's almost as if they were told to wear the get up to look intimidating, otherwise surely most of them would have been in trackies, jeans or shorts and t-shirts.

They clearly don't want to be identified by trolls/nutters who will incorrectly label them 'far right' or'KKK' and try to destroy their lives. Why not Dover? People protest anywhere it doesn't have to be in the exact spot that dinghies arrive y'know.

Dersie · Yesterday 18:36

Switchnow · Yesterday 18:33

And as a black British woman with mixed race daughters and a son, I would not feel comfortable being in the street, or a train carriage, with silent, balaclava clad men, or knowing my children were. And if you think my comfort matters less than yours, I’d consider you a white supremacist.

Then you would be very wrong, but you are extremely racist

MumofCandR · Yesterday 18:36

Gloriia · Yesterday 18:33

Anyway. Try not to let the media whip you up so much op. You'll make yourself ill if you carry on thinking peaceful protestors are like the KKK and will burn everyone's homes. Do you get out much? Flowers.

What a witty response - your wit knows no bounds 😂.

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Anyahyacinth · Yesterday 18:36

Switchnow · Yesterday 18:33

And as a black British woman with mixed race daughters and a son, I would not feel comfortable being in the street, or a train carriage, with silent, balaclava clad men, or knowing my children were. And if you think my comfort matters less than yours, I’d consider you a white supremacist.

Absolutely agree ..imagine not understanding what that clothing choice means in addition to racist chants

GaaNeen · Yesterday 18:36

Anyahyacinth · Yesterday 18:31

It’s all mega divide and rule distraction from the very wealthy extracting wealth and asset stripping out countries ….in old folk homes profits, sewage in every river but 100 of millions of profits extracted to share holders and more. It’s a ‘look over here, be afraid’ distraction. I live by a migrant dispersal centre and see nothing but contribution and participation ..vibrant interesting additions to our society.

Unless we have gone mad as a society and claim we don’t have home grown vile rapists and murderers too?

Thanks - I appreciate your response, I’m
taking your insights on board 👍

Baldrapunzel · Yesterday 18:37

Notonthestairs · Yesterday 18:30

Daniel Thomas has quite the background.

Thomas – who goes by the name Danny Tommo – was handed a two-year sentence in 2016 for an attempted kidnap after targeting the wrong man. He and two others arrived at the victim’s home in Hampshire armed with knives. Portsmouth Crown Court heard how they punched him, pinned him against a wall, grabbed and pulled his T-shirt, trying to force him from his home. But their victim resisted, clinging to the door frame. The bungling perpetrators fled in a car, shouting: “We’ll be back.” However, realising they had got the wrong person, one of the trio later sent the victim a Facebook message apologising.
Meanwhile, Thomas was said to have made inflammatory comments online in the wake of last year’s attack on a children’s dance class in Southport. Hope Not Hate (HNH) says on its website: “Daniel Thomas (AKA Danny Tommo), Tommy Robinson’s associate... shared a video in the hours after the Southport attack claiming that ‘we need to do something very extreme’ and ‘every city needs to go up’. Two days later, Thomas would lead a demonstration at Whitehall at which more than 100 people would be arrested.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/flag-chiefs-migrant-sabotage-tommy-36326862.amp

Oh lord, I didn't realise it was those 2 scrotes behind the protest. I thought they were in France, asking for (and being given) money to finance them posing in front of, then stabbing, dinghies.

Switchnow · Yesterday 18:38

Dersie · Yesterday 18:36

Then you would be very wrong, but you are extremely racist

Please tell me how I’m ‘extremely racist’?

metameta · Yesterday 18:40

Greenmouldycheese · Yesterday 18:29

Have you bothered following the news over the past few years or do you pick and choose what you pay attention to? Their behaviour has been disgusting. Search it.

it was a genuine question. I find it interesting that you haven’t answered it.

Greenmouldycheese · Yesterday 18:42

metameta · Yesterday 18:40

it was a genuine question. I find it interesting that you haven’t answered it.

Stop lying.

Pange79 · Yesterday 18:43

watchinginhorror · Yesterday 16:14

My friend’s brother has been in prison since before PA were designated as a terrorist organisation. I’m not sure what he did, other than attend a protest. It seems neither are the government as they haven’t brought him to trial as there is nothing a jury can convict him of.

Seems you can be kept in custody after being charged but without going to court for up to 182 days but they can apply for an extension. Is that what happened?

Switchnow · Yesterday 18:43

https://x.com/jimthegiant/status/2096534855009902787

Looks like Tommo has admitted he was paid to set this up, and the funds are linked to some interesting characters.

Anyone who thinks this is about stopping the boats or protecting UK citizens is wrong. Paid for disruption is never about citizens, it’s always about power.

JimmyTheGiant (@jimthegiant) on X

Danny Tommo, the man who organised yesterdays blackshirts rally, openly telling us a foreign American think tank wired him £30k for his very first street protest. Foreign money is propping up the British far right

https://x.com/jimthegiant/status/2096534855009902787

Notonthestairs · Yesterday 18:43

Baldrapunzel · Yesterday 18:37

Oh lord, I didn't realise it was those 2 scrotes behind the protest. I thought they were in France, asking for (and being given) money to finance them posing in front of, then stabbing, dinghies.

Banned from France I think.

5128gap · Yesterday 18:43

GaaNeen · Yesterday 18:31

I take your point that racists WILL be anti boats
and that not all anti boats people are racists
thanks

Thank you. If only those pretending that everyone who protests the boats is a harmless upright citizen took it too.
I would like to see an end to the small boat crossings. I think you'd struggle to find anyone who wouldn't. Even those who actively support asylum seekers don't want them to arrive this way.
But those who refuse to accept that concern about immigration has been hijacked by some extremely dangerous bad actors and condemn them where they appear, is at best naive and at worst complicit.

Baldrapunzel · Yesterday 18:44

Gloriia · Yesterday 18:36

They clearly don't want to be identified by trolls/nutters who will incorrectly label them 'far right' or'KKK' and try to destroy their lives. Why not Dover? People protest anywhere it doesn't have to be in the exact spot that dinghies arrive y'know.

But that doesn't explain why they were all dressed exactly the same all in black. They could have all worn jeans and a blue t-shirt, or beige shorts and a white t-shirt. Or a mix of colours and clothing. But no, all black is far more intimidating.

And as for people protesting anywhere, all they did was inconvenience fellow citizens trying to do a day's work, or perhaps heading off on a much anticipated holiday. That's not going to win them any support.

Stairlifter · Yesterday 18:44

Pineneedlesincarpet · Yesterday 18:33

Well they built the nightingale hospitals without a single shot being fired as far as I'm aware. Perhaps they would build some electronic warning system in the channel or a huge net across the dividing line. Who knows? Luckily I'm not in charge of thinking of something. The important thing is that the military seems to be wheeled out when the apparatus of civilian government is failing. Which it clearly is. As the military do a proper effective job.

Jesus Christ. A huge net across the sea?

What an amazing, practical and not at all completely ridiculous suggestion!

Let's spend untold billions of pounds rigging up a net that would somehow stop dinghies but let the hundreds of ferries and merchant ships which use the Channel every day pass freely through without disruption. Why didn't we think of that before??

The thing is, stopping the boats is hard. Nobody wants them. The government would love nothing more than to stop them. But it's really very difficult, and the overstretched military probably have better things to be doing.

Nobody knows how to stop them, least of all these balaclava wearing thugs.

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