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Masked men at Dover - KKK vibes

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MumofCandR · Yesterday 11:53

They are utter cowards and hypocritical. The same ilk will state they're against the burkha and protests by environmental groups etc. but are happy to mask their faces in 'protest' the reality is they're just nasty specimens of humanity, full of people with self righteous white supremacy tendencies. AIBU.

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MumofCandR · Yesterday 18:01

Gloriia · Yesterday 17:57

Oh did the KKK quietly protest? I thought they set fire to homes and killed people?
Your scaremongering is sick and a bit weird tbh.

It wasn't a legitimate protest. And yes the KKK did exactly what this group of men did to intimidate people. If you don't believe it you can actually find some facts with a quick search : 'During the 1920s, Klan local chapters ("klaverns") frequently organized silent parades through towns, often under the cover of night or dusk. Hundreds or thousands of robed, masked Klansmen would march through streets without making a sound or chanting slogans. The total silence was meant to project an omnipresent, eerie authority and convey a menacing message: We are watching you, we are everywhere, and we can act at any moment.'

Hope this helps you.

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Fluffyholeysocks · Yesterday 18:02

I hate all this far right/far left masked thugs/bigots/Nazi/Fascist name calling and point scoring. It seems you're either far right or far left these days. What about the people that previously occupied the centre ground?
Where is the centre ground as I truly don't know anymore? No one represents me anymore politically, but I am bombarded with this pernicious name calling/no debate/ you agree with me or you're a bigot/stupid/gammon/woke nonsense. I despair at state of debate and the need to try and understand other people's POV.

MumofCandR · Yesterday 18:03

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 17:57

Why don't you present us with an illustration on the similar practices to the KKK.

It would take you less than a minute to find that information if you're truly interested, but here you have it 'During the 1920s, Klan local chapters ("klaverns") frequently organized silent parades through towns, often under the cover of night or dusk. Hundreds or thousands of robed, masked Klansmen would march through streets without making a sound or chanting slogans. The total silence was meant to project an omnipresent, eerie authority and convey a menacing message: We are watching you, we are everywhere, and we can act at any moment.'

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Gloriia · Yesterday 18:03

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 17:57

Why don't you present us with an illustration on the similar practices to the KKK.

Maybe the outfits? Oh wait no white pointy hats seen. The fires and the murders? Nope none of those either. It's a mystery.
A scaremongering, hyperbolic, whip them up thread.

StandFirm · Yesterday 18:04

MumofCandR · Yesterday 18:01

It wasn't a legitimate protest. And yes the KKK did exactly what this group of men did to intimidate people. If you don't believe it you can actually find some facts with a quick search : 'During the 1920s, Klan local chapters ("klaverns") frequently organized silent parades through towns, often under the cover of night or dusk. Hundreds or thousands of robed, masked Klansmen would march through streets without making a sound or chanting slogans. The total silence was meant to project an omnipresent, eerie authority and convey a menacing message: We are watching you, we are everywhere, and we can act at any moment.'

Hope this helps you.

Yes, and again, blocking one of the main ports is NOT PEACEFUL.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 18:04

MumofCandR · Yesterday 18:03

It would take you less than a minute to find that information if you're truly interested, but here you have it 'During the 1920s, Klan local chapters ("klaverns") frequently organized silent parades through towns, often under the cover of night or dusk. Hundreds or thousands of robed, masked Klansmen would march through streets without making a sound or chanting slogans. The total silence was meant to project an omnipresent, eerie authority and convey a menacing message: We are watching you, we are everywhere, and we can act at any moment.'

Oh yeah I can see what you mean now. Striking similarities.

Olive123456 · Yesterday 18:04

I've been to several KJK rallies. Actually threatened by men dressed and masked exactly rhe same. The police didn't give a fuck and I doubt you do either. Not to mention the weekly mask wearers at the Hamas supporters protests plus the climate activists.

Switchnow · Yesterday 18:04

EasternStandard · Yesterday 17:11

Does it matter that back of lorry numbers are going back up?

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It might do, if there’s reliable data on that. The rise and fall in crossings is really to do with weather, but governments of every colour use the number to beat each other with so it makes sense for those in opposition to do the same.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 18:05

Gloriia · Yesterday 18:03

Maybe the outfits? Oh wait no white pointy hats seen. The fires and the murders? Nope none of those either. It's a mystery.
A scaremongering, hyperbolic, whip them up thread.

Is it anyone with a covering?

LakieLady · Yesterday 18:06

MrsBunny2018 · Yesterday 16:45

Interesting that there have been 0 arrests as per BBC, as opposed to the 169 arrests made at Notting Hill Carnival. Can't be that thuggish can they?

I believe that attendance at Notting Hill this year was well over a million, and that the far-right protestors at Dover numbered a few hundred, at most. And I suspect that there was a far bigger police presence at Notting Hill, too, so easier to make arrests.

Not a valid comparison really.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 18:06

Switchnow · Yesterday 18:04

It might do, if there’s reliable data on that. The rise and fall in crossings is really to do with weather, but governments of every colour use the number to beat each other with so it makes sense for those in opposition to do the same.

There will be a shift in the EU. It might not be the U.K. first but I can see a falling away from the system we have when the status quo loses its grip.

Amianarse · Yesterday 18:06

Cherry8809 · Yesterday 16:37

Personally I’d feel a lot safer locked in a room with a bunch of anonymous balaclava-clad right wingers than a bunch of fresh off the boat migrants that we know nothing about 🤷🏻‍♀️

alright Bonnie blue 🙄

You know as much about the Bally men as you would the other men, providing you don’t personally know all white, right wing men?

Gloriia · Yesterday 18:06

MumofCandR · Yesterday 18:03

It would take you less than a minute to find that information if you're truly interested, but here you have it 'During the 1920s, Klan local chapters ("klaverns") frequently organized silent parades through towns, often under the cover of night or dusk. Hundreds or thousands of robed, masked Klansmen would march through streets without making a sound or chanting slogans. The total silence was meant to project an omnipresent, eerie authority and convey a menacing message: We are watching you, we are everywhere, and we can act at any moment.'

Oh please you weren't likening the Dover protests to the KKK's 'silent parades' You were implying we are on a slippery slope to murder and burning homes. Own it.

Amianarse · Yesterday 18:07

CarbootJunction · Yesterday 14:49

The sight of them made my sad heart soar.

At last, England roars.

…this has got to be the cringiest thing I have ever heard in my whole life 🙄🤣

Anyahyacinth · Yesterday 18:07

MissyB1 · Yesterday 15:07

Bollocks! I havent seen pro palestine demonstrators with balaclavas on. When the police are busy arresting 70 year old women who are sat on the pavement holding a piece of cardboard those women are definitely not hiding their faces - probably because they aren't cowards.

Those thugs in Dover dont dare show their faces - how very brave of them 🙄🙄

That’s because they are referencing an aesthetic ..a monstrous one and yes I agree about Genocide protest marches being unmasked and family friendly, pre planned and approved to prevent inconvenience.

This will go the way of the US and lots of these folk will be harmed by the cruelty they are demanding. They are inadequate folk who can’t rise above disadvantaged migrants …but want to feel supremacy. Grim

Ablushingcrow · Yesterday 18:09

Don't be so daft. And there's no such thing as 'white supremacy'.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 18:09

Anyahyacinth · Yesterday 18:07

That’s because they are referencing an aesthetic ..a monstrous one and yes I agree about Genocide protest marches being unmasked and family friendly, pre planned and approved to prevent inconvenience.

This will go the way of the US and lots of these folk will be harmed by the cruelty they are demanding. They are inadequate folk who can’t rise above disadvantaged migrants …but want to feel supremacy. Grim

Got to be a joke post.

Anyahyacinth · Yesterday 18:09

Gloriia · Yesterday 18:06

Oh please you weren't likening the Dover protests to the KKK's 'silent parades' You were implying we are on a slippery slope to murder and burning homes. Own it.

We’ve already had the murders and burning mosques ..plenty of news coverage of both …Jo Cox M.P. anyone ? Lots more since

MumofCandR · Yesterday 18:10

Gloriia · Yesterday 18:06

Oh please you weren't likening the Dover protests to the KKK's 'silent parades' You were implying we are on a slippery slope to murder and burning homes. Own it.

Glad you're a mind reader 😂. Do you do clairvoyance sessions on the side?

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Whatifitallgoesright · Yesterday 18:10

MumofCandR · Yesterday 11:53

They are utter cowards and hypocritical. The same ilk will state they're against the burkha and protests by environmental groups etc. but are happy to mask their faces in 'protest' the reality is they're just nasty specimens of humanity, full of people with self righteous white supremacy tendencies. AIBU.

Where have you been hiding from all the news over the last few years?

Masked-up Muslims, Antifa and Tranactivists have been intimidating people - mainly women - for a decade. Get a grip.

GaaNeen · Yesterday 18:11

MumofCandR · Yesterday 17:54

Suggest you carry out historical research, the parallels are very chilling. There's none so blind as those who won't see.

Please explain the parallels between protests in Dover and KKK

my understanding is that KKK stood for white supremacy - clearly abhorrent

my understanding is that the Dover protesters are anti- small boat illegally landing with economic migrants

in order to support the parallels theory we would have to say that people who are anti - the channel small boats are white supremacists

my experience is that people who are anti small boats feel that way because they believe that small boats contribute to higher welfare costs / tax rises / crime rates etc -
regardless of being black / brown / white Eastern European etc ….

due people truly think that being anti small boats / illegal entry / loss of border control is paramount to white supremacy ?

Switchnow · Yesterday 18:11

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 17:23

Err, hello, Gaza is calling - from London. Is that about Christianity?

I have no idea what point you’re making here.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 18:11

Anyahyacinth · Yesterday 18:09

We’ve already had the murders and burning mosques ..plenty of news coverage of both …Jo Cox M.P. anyone ? Lots more since

The murder of David Amess, who always conveniently gets forgotten?

WouldYouLikeAnyToast · Yesterday 18:11

Cherry8809 · Yesterday 16:37

Personally I’d feel a lot safer locked in a room with a bunch of anonymous balaclava-clad right wingers than a bunch of fresh off the boat migrants that we know nothing about 🤷🏻‍♀️

This doesn't even make sense.
You know absolutely fuck all about "anonymous balaclava clad right wingers" either but you'd feel safe locked in a room with them?!
When their usual schtick is to intimidate or riot in these circumstances, I wouldn't want to be locked up with them.
Even if I'm probably the "right kind" of woman they pretend to care about and protect underneath their masks.
(White, straight, English British etc)
Whereas immigrants will have a wide range of opinions, and personalities - which would feel more safer than a load of right wing "protesters."

Anyahyacinth · Yesterday 18:13

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 18:11

The murder of David Amess, who always conveniently gets forgotten?

The question was about murders related to this racist crowd

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