Is the trans kids trend over? Aibu to wonder what happened to the kids caught up in it in the 2010s?

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As we know the period from the mid 10s to early 20s has been described as “woke 1” and is apparently “over”.
When I was at secondary school in the 2010s, there were four trans kids in my year group (3 FTMs and one mtf) the one mtf was autistic and in foster care. I was always nice to them and kept my views to myself but I’m wondering what’s going on with them now, they’ve completely dropped off the radar. None of them have social media accounts and no one else I went to school with had heard from them.

My daughter has just entered year 5 and doesn’t know any trans kids or even what one is, my neighbours teenage children don’t know any either and they’re the age I was when four classmates transitioned.

I know there’s a lot of teachers on mumsnet would this be your experience too?

Ive tried googling this but everyone seems to have moved on from it I think there may be a forgotten generation who’s lives have been ruined

A high percentage of those referred to the Tavistock were children in care. Julie Bindel has written about the phenomenon.

Why do so many girls in Blackpool want to become boys?

https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/why-do-so-many-girls-in-blackpool

I know a 10 YO autistic girl who thinks she's a boy

I knew a girl who said she was a boy in primary school. Now, aged 20, she's a girl with a boyfriend

My teacher DSIS thinks it's on the wane. Things like not permitting boys to join girl guides, or share a tent with girls on school camp etc. All of this makes a difference

In my childs year group, the trend is now to be pansexual non-binary , and we've also seen a couple of them identify as non-binary and a-sexual. We don't know of any that are taking it seriously enough to have medication or hormones.

I did not even mention Mermaids.

Schools really should do. As I posted earlier on in this thread, my child's school caused an enormous amount of damage due to their behaviours in relation to my child. They decided to call my child by their "new name" and they failed to ask me or even inform me of this. This happened despite the fact my child had a formal diagnosis of autism and some serious mental health issues which required medication. All of which was known to the school. I will never forgive any of the individuals involved in this. My child would come home extremely frustrated due to being called by the new name all day at school and then it not being the case at home (young siblings so was not possible). It broke our relationship. They encouraged this to a clearly very vulnerable young teenager with additional support needs and on psychiatric medication. Apologies for my ranting. I just have not really spoken about this very much. Schools really need to be careful about these matters.

I think this is where the change has happened. Teenage anxiety, insecurity about sexual orientation, adhd,autism,anorexia and bulimia triggering feelings of alienation and not fitting in was seized on by the trans lobby as proof that young people were trans, and then heavily and shamefully promoted by influencers, organisations like Stonewall and most appallingly by schools.

It is always hard for young people to go against the tide and no one in the history of the world has ever before been exposed to such pressure from social media as young people are currently, it is relentless. This coupled with the push to be seen as kind led to confused kids not being given the space to work out who they are.

I hope that better information and the truth about the real and permanent dangers of exposure to puberty blockers, breast binders, cross sex hormones and radical surgery is slowing the tide and giving both kids the chance to think for themselves and responsible adults to remember that young people are complex creatures and that it is important to look at all their experiences and anxieties not just jump on the one with the loudest shouty voices.

Yes, I strongly suspect that it is to do with being autistic in many cases. It is normal to feel that way but unfortunately, there are some rather sinister individuals ready to jump in and claim, "Well, this is the reason why!" Then the child and/or young person ends up finding almost a sense of community amongst other people. Something that would more than likely have been sorely missing from their lives. It is really terrible how vulnerable individuals are essentially taken advantage of particularly with the outcome it can all have. (I am not trying to claim that it is simply to do with an individual being autistic in every case but it seems to be in an awful lot of cases)

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'Justin Walters

Justin is a partner at OC&C Strategy Consultants, where he leads the Technology sector.
He is a non-executive director of Mumsnet and of MyClinicalOutcomes.'

Is that why certain areas of mumsnet were subject to regular deletions at one time because of “ wrong think”?

In my opinion there have always been trans people, just like there have always been autistic people and gay people but they have generally not been acknowledged by society.

However, in recent years teenagers have gone through the usual teenaged anxiety of feeling they don’t fit, they are misunderstood or feeing something is different and turned to the internet. There they have found groups who have explained their feelings away as being trans, and they have agreed. Suddenly you are in a group, you have friends, grown ups take you seriously and people change the way they treat you. You can go on marches and join clubs. If when you are older you realise that this wasn’t how you really felt then it’s very hard to back down.
This isn’t to say that all teens are making it up, or to say that trans people don’t exist but that some young people can get very caught up in it all.

Amazing thank you - in my area it’s all the middle class children overwhelmingly female that are trans.

I am glad to be informed about how widespread and nefarious the agenda is that’s affecting far more children.

funnily enough, in adulthood it seems to be perverts all using this agenda to gain access to women and children.

Funny how the left are so pro trans but say nothing on the Epstein files which repeatedly highlighted how much they wanted to push this agenda, things that make you go hmm.

MN at one time, when I was a lurker, was so strong and steadfast in opposing this harmful agenda but I have noticed a distinct watering down on that stance. Much like they have a strong group of usual suspects who come in to almost deflect and distract from any issues pertaining to illegal migration and a correlation with certain attitudes to white working class girls.

Absolutely no coincidence at all.

Many of those kids are in care, are victims of sexual abuse, are the potentially gay children of homophobic parents. Still not all rich.

Best friend is head of sixth form at a large state school. She was telling me last weekend that they’ve gone from 5-6 kids in her year group for the last @10 years who changed name and pronouns to none this year (for the first time since 2016 I think). I was hoping this meant it was on the decrease.

The trans thing is still alive and kicking in my neck of the woods! I can think of about 8 amongst my children's friends, aged 15-16. Then a few more among my own friends - their children. It has been a confusing time with all the changes in medical provision. Such a good thing that medical transition cannot start in puberty anymore. Some will grow out of it. It's a delicate issue that has been made worse by the polarisation of views that the internet is so good at. I hope eventually it will be seen that the pro-trans groups (trans activists) have preyed on children online in a similar way that the social media companies have.

If society manages to have a proper grown up conversation around this we might actually be able to help these young people figure out what is true for each of them.

I have no knowledge of what is happening to those who were trans as teenagers and are now in their 20s. Any circumstantial evidence is likely to be from such a small sample as to be not statistically significant. But is anyone actually collecting any data more widely on what happened to the teens when they grew up? I suspect not.

Well the law and therefore schools’ policy has changed. School staff aren’t allowed to just adopt different pronouns or names now . It has to come from senior management with parental agreement. Perhaps that’s why it is less obvious now?

I know of a couple of ex students who have “transitioned back” (if that’s the right way to put it) in adulthood

I don’t have clear views on the subject and sit somewhat pathetically on the fence but I did think from the start that the link with autism needs A LOT more research.

Yes. I guess this thread is still here because it is Sunday. Perhaps the usual disrupters are still in bed and there are no moderators on Sundays.
It is probable that the thread will be gone by tomorrow.

"But is anyone actually collecting any data more widely on what happened to the teens when they grew up? I suspect not."

@Sooose The Cass Review did attempt to follow up on those children who moved onto adult services. The clinics refused to share the data.

Read into that what you will...

I was at a music festival yesterday - there were hundreds of 6ft2 blokes in corsets…
interestingly when I was in mainland Europe (Amsterdam, Barca, Alicante and Lisbon) I saw none. Not an erm sausage.

@Sooose healthcare professionals are trying to get research and help in place- Elaine Miller ( specialist physio ) and colleague Prof Ruth Parry have recently completed a study on the “Unwanted Effects of Transgender Related Hormones and Gender Surgery on Urinary and Sexual Functioning” https://genderblog.net/gender-surgerys-incontinence-problem/. I think it’s going to take a while for research studies on harms to make it through the rainbow ceiling.

I think the mother who illegally transitioned her son and then had him castrated on his sixteenth birthday may have been Susie Green, who was CEO of mermaids, hence the confusion?