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Is the trans kids trend over? Aibu to wonder what happened to the kids caught up in it in the 2010s?

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Hippodrome · Today 07:28

As we know the period from the mid 10s to early 20s has been described as “woke 1” and is apparently “over”.
When I was at secondary school in the 2010s, there were four trans kids in my year group (3 FTMs and one mtf) the one mtf was autistic and in foster care. I was always nice to them and kept my views to myself but I’m wondering what’s going on with them now, they’ve completely dropped off the radar. None of them have social media accounts and no one else I went to school with had heard from them.

My daughter has just entered year 5 and doesn’t know any trans kids or even what one is, my neighbours teenage children don’t know any either and they’re the age I was when four classmates transitioned.

I know there’s a lot of teachers on mumsnet would this be your experience too?

Ive tried googling this but everyone seems to have moved on from it I think there may be a forgotten generation who’s lives have been ruined

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AD1509 · Today 11:03

I think non binary is more on trend now. You still get to be alternative but don’t have to
commit in the same way as trans. I teach a lot
if 18-24 y olds and there’s many a they them. Having said that my 8 y old has a mtf trans kid in his class. Parents work with LQBTQ youths- which seems quite the conincidence.

Secretsquirrel2 · Today 11:04

Can I suggest that anyone interested in where the trans spike came from listen to the Dr Soh & Chloe Cole podcast.
This is a FTM de transion American person.
It was a game changer for me.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Today 11:05

AllJoyAndNoFun · Today 07:57

Yeah I feel like non binary is more of a thing now, especially among girls. It also seems to be region, and, to an extent, school specific within areas- my friend’s dd is at a school in Kent where it’s super common whereas at my dc’s school there are literally none who present as trans or non binary ( similar size and demographic of the two schools otherwise and both schools allow all students to wear a “trouser and tie” or “skirt and blouse” uniform). The non binary girls I know basically look like Emo kids from the 90’s ( nothing new under the sun).

@EricTheHalfASleeve interesting- I guess the other thing is that essentially there’s currently a “backlog” of cases as legally changing gender not been around for that long. Will be interesting to know what the numbers are when that has gone through the system.

The GRA was 2004. There's no backlog after 22 years.

TorroFerney · Today 11:05

TwinklyAmberSloth · Today 09:17

@Hippodrome I was at school in the 80s and 90s. People assumed I was a boy. Very tall. Buzz cut hair. Studied "boy" subjects. I hated being a girl.

I would have no doubt been one of those kids pushed into changing gender with hormones.

But then I figured out that gender isn't important. It's based in stereotypes. Misogynistic crap. I learned to be comfortable just being me.

I'm a person. Human. We shouldn't have to live in a society where people are treated differently.

We should be stamping out misogynistic views rather than people feeling them have to change to belong.

Different should be seen as normal. Everyone is different. That's a good thing.

No religion or group should be permitted that treat men and women differently. Or any group that treats anyone of protected characteristics differently.

People should have to change to belong.

Yes I always think that as we evolve we should get less bothered about labels, but certain demographics seem very keen . It does or did seem for a while that if you didn't like dresses and make up then you were obviously in the wrong body - rather than just being a woman who didn't like dresses and make up which is more of a social conformity isn't it, not biological.

I saw a group of women on Instagram, short hair no make up all in their 50's and they were being asked were they male - err no I am what would have been called a tomboy.

TwinklyAmberSloth · Today 11:06

Secretsquirrel2 · Today 09:22

I really like your last paragraph. No one should be allowed to treat anyone differently in the name of religion.

Its totally misogynistic and needs to be banned.

I have nothing against religion whatsoever but any misogynistic practices need to be banned.

I worked in engineering and hated being treated differently because I am female. Its now banned to treat people differently in the world place but this needs to be for religion too.

And they also need to stop this selective application process too. 20 people applied to an engineering job. 2 female. They interviewed the two females and I males and then gave one of the females the job to increase their female engineer numbers. Ffs!! Give it to the person who was best for the job!

I dont want to be given opportunities because I'm female. I want them because I'm the best candidate!!

MaturingCheeseball · Today 11:10

There were a lot in dd’s year at school. They were all in a group at primary school (to be blunt, the “odd” kids) and then all became non- binary at secondary school. Dd said she thought they were loving having an identity, a special room at school, awards for mental health awareness - attention basically.

I also saw the Pride March in my local city. Well, apart from a few drag queens it was Spot the Gay Man. Or the Lesbian. It was 95% at least young women, many with sticks, in wheelchairs and dressed in their specific style.

Winederlust · Today 11:10

Catza · Today 09:13

But that may not be universal experience. Just something you decided to focus on to prove your point.
My school friend in the 90s was (is) trans. Yea, his hairline is receding but he is currently an officer in the reserve army, works in cyber security, runs a small business, travels the world, takes part in the mud runner annually and has a very happy marriage.

At what age did they transition? My bet is that they wouldn't have been given puberty blockers as a young teen back then.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · Today 11:12

user91817161 · Today 11:03

I work in health and I have no problem with provision of appropriately designed aids for whatever age group needs them - but the only YP I see in my area who use walking sticks invariably dress a certain way, have their hair a certain way, it’s very distinctive …is there a good reason why a particular health condition will only afflict people who look a certain way? It’s similar to being a goth or a New Romantic back in my youth.

I would flip it, rather than the health condition affecting mostly people with a certain look it doesn’t seem that hard to believe that people with health conditions are more likely to choose one subculture than another. If you have a difference like a disability you might well find you feel more at home among the blue haired woke kids than the sporty kids or (where I live) the Young Farmers.
plus it’s also possible that it’s another factor such as autism which correlates with particular health conditions.

AnneLovesGilbert · Today 11:13

DiaAssolellat · Today 10:43

Munchhausen Mums

And homophobic dads. Rather a trans daughter than a gay son. Tragic.

Sundayagain01 · Today 11:13

I don’t know if it’s over. My two dc went to (different) special schools and knew many trans students. The one I know of (ftm) has just been released from prison for the second time at the age of 20. It was in the local press with a picture where they still had a masculine appearance.

The other ones (mtf) presented and lived as girls and to my knowledge are still the same and they must all be about 20 now. These are young people with severe emotional and behaviour problems to the extent they were in care and/or secure accommodation with full-time supervision.

MaturingCheeseball · Today 11:18

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · Today 11:12

I would flip it, rather than the health condition affecting mostly people with a certain look it doesn’t seem that hard to believe that people with health conditions are more likely to choose one subculture than another. If you have a difference like a disability you might well find you feel more at home among the blue haired woke kids than the sporty kids or (where I live) the Young Farmers.
plus it’s also possible that it’s another factor such as autism which correlates with particular health conditions.

Edited

I agree that finding one’s tribe is important. The Italians have an expression, “Go with the lame and learn to limp” which I think does apply in many cases.

GreatWhiteWail · Today 11:18

Shedmistress · Today 08:27

It is not over. Just last week, the Good Law Project, who share a director with Mumsnet, offered to fund 24 kids with puberty blockers and potentially cross sex hormones for free, sourced through Anne Health, run by a non medic who herself gave her son puberty blockers and cross sex hormones and took him to Thailand on his 16th birthday to have his penis inverted. In fact her and her mother found it hilarious that his penis was so small at that stage the doctors did not have enough material to work with.

Personally I think a Mumsnet Director adovcating to mutilate and sterilise kids is not 'in the spirit' of any parenting forum but hey ho.

So yes, people are still raging about it all, many people think sterilising and mutilating kids because they like the wrong toys is a bad thing.

Who is a Mumsnet director?! Shock

Llamasarellovely · Today 11:19

JurgenKloppsTeeth · Today 10:00

I kept my mouth shut while all my friends went full bore on trans ideology. I could see the correlation with neurodivergence and/or childhood trauma plus Covid isolation at a very vulnerable time and have privately been critical of what felt like a trend among children desperate to be heard.

Also stories of parents of young kids using they/them pronouns or being the kid being encouraged to think of themselves as the opposite gender if they said they didn’t feel like their birth gender.

And I don’t quite know how to articulate this but there is a section of the alternative/queer/ND community who are very forthright in their views and others in that community (or outside it) might not want to speak out about any concerns they have for fear of being cancelled or ostracised or targeted.

I for one will be glad if this is really dying down. It has felt like temporary insanity with people going along with it for the reasons I mention above. Of course there are genuine trans people. No issue with that whatsoever, or anyone’s sexuality or lack thereof. But a sudden huge wave of young people identifying as the opposite gender and we’re just supposed to go along with it? Nope.

Well you did "go along with it" if you kept your mouth shut 🙄

Stompythedinosaur · Today 11:22

I think if teenagers don't know what being transgender is, that's probably an education issue rather than anything else.

I work with teens and most have an understanding of a wide variety of LGBTQ+ issues.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Today 11:24

Kalanthe · Today 10:59

It was a trend, same with being non-binary. It's sad because transsexual people have been born since the beginning of time, it's a legitimate medical condition and a great personal tragedy, cause of suffering. It got turned into a part of the culture war and a trend, so that the actual trans people weren't taken seriously anymore. Same with non-binary, some people are born with both sets of genitals (usually neither of them fully developed) and don't feel like either man or a woman. Again, a medical condition that has always existed. Then a bunch of teenage kids decided they didn't feel any gender that day and ridiculed the people who are genuinely intersex. I feel really sorry for all those trans and intersex people who had to suffer even more because of the trend

Edited

Nobody is born with both sets of genitals. Some people have a disorder/difference of sex development (the term now used instead of intersex, to avoid exactly this misconception). Some DSDs cause the external genitals to be ambiguous and can therefore mean the baby's sex is incorrectly recorded at birth. Some affect internal or hormonal sex characteristics. DSDs are sex-specific - some affect only males, some only females. None mean a person is both sexes.

endofthelinefinally · Today 11:24

Nobody is born with both sets of genitals.
Differences or Disorders of Sexual Development are sex specific. Each of them only affect one sex.
The only connexion with this ideology is when men like Caster Semenya and Imane Kalif use them to steal medals from women.

Nairsmellsbad · Today 11:25

Shedmistress · Today 08:27

It is not over. Just last week, the Good Law Project, who share a director with Mumsnet, offered to fund 24 kids with puberty blockers and potentially cross sex hormones for free, sourced through Anne Health, run by a non medic who herself gave her son puberty blockers and cross sex hormones and took him to Thailand on his 16th birthday to have his penis inverted. In fact her and her mother found it hilarious that his penis was so small at that stage the doctors did not have enough material to work with.

Personally I think a Mumsnet Director adovcating to mutilate and sterilise kids is not 'in the spirit' of any parenting forum but hey ho.

So yes, people are still raging about it all, many people think sterilising and mutilating kids because they like the wrong toys is a bad thing.

Yuk, I had no idea that Mumsnet was mixed up with GLP.

DestituteDesperate · Today 11:29

Rich people problems

Missingmymeds · Today 11:32

The ONLY one I knew ,who was heading towards f to m trans ,is in a relationship with a man and has a baby ..
No lives ruined here ...
However..school were very pushy with her , labeling situations and deliberately keeping parents in the dark with a 15 year old ..
So it could of been a different story
This person is now diagnosed with autism and adhd

NeverDropYourMooncup · Today 11:32

nolongersurprised · Today 11:01

Shiloh Jolie never transitioned and was never transitioned by her parents. I remember interviews where Angelina said that she wanted to be called ‘John’ and wear the same clothes as her brothers, but it was presented as a cute quirk of Shiloh’s personality. It was a long time ago now.

I reckon if my parents (or one in particular) had given me a name that could be flipped into Pile o'Shit, I'd want to be known by another name as well.

NotAtMyAge · Today 11:32

Littlebearbutadog · Today 08:57

Walking sticks, what do you mean?

It's an influencer trend according to recent newspaper articles. This is from The Telegraph yesterday and there's a similar article in The Times, but I don't have a share token.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/3e3fc9c2f52e4467

How having a disability became cool

Young women, nicknamed ‘sickfluencers’, are turning chronic illness into a lifestyle trend and entrenching a culture of economic inactivity

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/3e3fc9c2f52e4467

NotAtMyAge · Today 11:35

Nairsmellsbad · Today 11:25

Yuk, I had no idea that Mumsnet was mixed up with GLP.

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nolongersurprised · Today 11:36

NeverDropYourMooncup · Today 11:32

I reckon if my parents (or one in particular) had given me a name that could be flipped into Pile o'Shit, I'd want to be known by another name as well.

I remember my old housemate being horrified by the name, after she was born. I quite like it 🤷‍♀️

SapphireSteel28 · Today 11:37

I am a teacher. There are definitely fewer trans-identifying kids, and of the trans kids I taught in that period three that I know of no longer identify as transgender. I currently teach only two FTM transgender students. However, I don’t know about the rest as I have no idea where they are.

Secretsquirrel2 · Today 11:42

I've had a look on Mermaids company history and Mumsnet. I cannot find any of the same directors on both. I haven't been able to look at trustees yet.