AIBU to want spending cuts rather than more tax rises?

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The foundations are being laid for more tax rises in the October Budget.

https://www.ft.com/content/6d43b599-3d7c-471c-88c2-0f056475a840?syn-25a6b1a6=1

AIBU to ask for savings in spending to help balance the budget rather than more taxes.

With welfare spending at nearly £1bn each day, when is enough, enough?

@Coconutter24 my parents bought their 1.2m house for 50k. If I inherited when they die how have I or them paid tax on that already?

Structurally we transition out of it

Both the parties are responsible for this mess, the electorate are too.

@Gootabut how does that “fix” today?

But 'people' are going to be disincentivised to do this when they get stung by tax purely in order for others, who have not worked a day in their lives, to get the same

I am afraid they are too used to simply asking and getting. Without any agreement as to what comes with that money.
I would also insist they wait for our medical schools here to finish before recruiting junior doctors from overseas. So they don’t have to look to Australia or Canada for one.

How did the previous Tory government reduce taxes then? 🙄

I disagree with this.

Mean’s testing state pension won’t stop me working why would it? The fact someone else gets housing benefit or child benefit hasn’t stopped me getting a mortgage or having dc.

Honestly I agree with you. The amount that comes put my pay cheque is obscene. Really hinders my ability to do basic things such as get on the housing ladder etc.

The problem is people want better services, lower taxes & reduced immigration all against the backdrop of an ageing population & years of little investment. And they want it tomorrow.

It isn’t possible and any policies to try and rectify this are long term so need cross party consensus.

You can pretty much only move forward. Ik Labour have used blame everyone else for two years but Starmer was ousted over it.

The next party will probably have to stop relying on tax rises and borrowing hikes.

30 something and living in Islington, or equivalent, by any chance?

Starmer was ousted because he could not communicate. Or galvanise. Reform were leading in the polls. Whatever you think of Farage, he is usually a good communicator the message of what he is communicating aside.
Starmer is not. Andy Burnham can match Farage in terms of communicating. Which I think has rattled Farage. Quite apart from the serious issues he now faces. And I do think he is in trouble.

yes there are plenty who game the system. Time to hack it right back.

There are plenty of jobs you can do if you are deaf BTW.

Need to expand it to the severely obese too who are also a massive drain on the NHS and wider country. I've been visiting my DH in hospital daily for a couple of weeks and appalled at all the severely obese people - it's a rarity to see a normal sized person.

The Tory governments post 2010 weren't tax cutting governments.

Maybe. I think a lot depends on the upcoming French elections.

@Coconutter24 so by your own defintion of "double taxation" how on earth is IHT double taxation?

If I died tomorrow I would leave a house with a small mortgage, a pension pot and some savings. I have paid tax to a lesser or greater degree on some of those assets.

I paid tax when I bought the house (stamp duty), I paid tax on the income I used to save for the deposit and put in savings (income tax) , I paid tax on the income I used to pay the mortgage (income tax), I paid tax on the goods and services I used to maintain and furnish the house (VAT). I did not pay tax on any increase in the value of my house or my pension contributions.

But it is not double taxation if my estate has to pay IHT on some of it. Because, and I want to reiterate this, I will dead so I am not the one being taxed.

Admin I have mostly seen from an MOD procurement perspective. Inventing new forms and process to slow, delay, obfuscate. These are not front line operators, but back room paper/electronic form pushers.

Interpreters, yes thar’s more local government.

I’m not going to spend all day undertaking a forensic analysis of where bloat might be cut from government. But I have given some examples.

we are going to have to disagree about HR!

There never seems to be any money for those who have been campaigning for years ( the waspi women, the blood scandal , the post office scandal ) whatever your view, when it comes to things like this it’s always ‘ no money ‘ ;(
I bet that the new chancellor will cut some benefits for defense spending and that’ll be wrong too.
People agree we need more money for that , but not who should bear the brunt of benefit cuts. It’s so difficult isn’t it. Most people I know their children are moving away , they don’t feel there is anything for them here. It’s so sad.

Excellent start!

‘Avoidance’ isn’t illegal. Evasion is.
What specifically are you referring to here?

What IS disrespectful is treating the NHS like a sacred cow that can't be criticised.

My DH has had cancer for 8 years. His "treatment" has been utterly woeful, with repeated foul ups, incompetency, etc. He's just had to spend 2 weeks in hospital after a major operation to pin his leg after some of his cancer "treatment" has wrecked his bones - he should have been on it for 2 years but was actually on it for 8 sodding years! His haematologist well and truly screwed up. We've since googled it and 2 years is the maximum. The orthopaedic surgeon couldn't believe he'd been on it 8 years and wasn't surprised his bones are screwed. He needs to go in again for another 2 weeks for another major operation on his other leg. That's a lot of wasted NHS resources for an entirely unnecessary cock up. In the months leading up to his operation, it was cock up after cock up re the admin and management of preparing for the surgery, - even in the same hospital, different depts won't talk to eachother meaning wasted appointments, duplicated tests etc. In the ward itself, it was a fiasco, the physios spent more time telling him how they had no time to show him exercises etc than it would have taken to just do it. When it came to discharge, another foul up. Doctor said 3/4 days time once he could get himself out of bed with a zimmer. Then, literally less than an hour later, the "discharge manager" came to tell him he was being discharged - nothing had been put in place, no drugs prescribed, not enough physio, no transport, etc - ended up 48 hours spent in a discharge lounge on a hard chair whilst we had to chase everyone up to get things in place. No I tell a lie, not 48 hours in the discharge lounge because it closed at 8pm so he was moved over to sit in A&E overnight as there was no one else for him (and others stuck in the discharge lounge) to wait. Then they wonder why A&E is always full - it's because it's dumped on by other depts of the NHS!

All those other cuts combined wouldn't fund the pip in person reviews you want

Do you care about the number of children you're plunging into poverty with this plan?

Do you care about the adults you're plunging into poverty and the vulnerable people you're leaving to die?

Do they not get the chance to work or get benefits? It shouldn't be a competition who has it worse. Some pensioners struggled when young, we did it's not all been as easy as young people think.