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To find this Dolly joke meme in bad taste?

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ITanya78 · Yesterday 10:22

I’ll just start by saying I do have a sense of humour so please don’t accuse me of not having one!

There’s a meme going round, mostly posted by men, of a coffin with moulded breast shapes on the lid referring to Dolly Parton’s passing.

I know she used to joke about it herself and may well have laughed at this but it feels a bit bad taste to me and a bit depressing in this day and age to see a late, great woman (or any woman!) reduced to just her breast size. Wish we could focus on her amazing character and all the good she did!

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CatsAreBetterThanMen · Yesterday 20:58

I don't think humour is supposed to be in good taste, it's meant to be in good humour. I think it's funny.

Jane379 · Yesterday 21:04

CatsAreBetterThanMen · Yesterday 20:58

I don't think humour is supposed to be in good taste, it's meant to be in good humour. I think it's funny.

So humour is more important than good taste even after a sad death?
If family members of Dolly were privately making jokes like that, I could understand that- dark humour is often a way some use to cope with grief. But random men on the internet aren't griveing family, obviously.

Jane379 · Yesterday 21:17

Boomer55 · Yesterday 12:23

Yeah - Dolly Parton and Barbara Windsor were strong, independent, feisty women, who knew how to play the game, and do it all with a smile, some giggles, and enhancing their ‘assets’ for effect. They both knew how to laugh at themselves - a rare thing nowadays.

To suggest that they were somehow ‘suppressed’ by men is completely nuts.

They were both popular, enjoyed some dirty laughs, and did life on their terms, with no navel gazing. .

As it should be. 👍

I certainly don't think Barbara Windsor was a 'victim'.

'Not suppressed by men?' Less convinced by that. It's hard not to see a woman as somewhat suppressed who feared for years that her gangster husband would harm Sid James. She was however (I think) in the marriage by her own choice...

She definitely had similarities with Dolly but I think Dolly had a better deal overall. Not only did she have a stable marriage, she was much more in control of her career due to songwriting, good business management etc Windsor did strong dramatic work with Joan Littlewood but got somewhat typecast after the Carry On films : that was never an issue for Dolly in the same way because she controlled most of her material.

Sorry, I know that's a bit off topic!

CatsAreBetterThanMen · Yesterday 21:55

Jane379 · Yesterday 21:04

So humour is more important than good taste even after a sad death?
If family members of Dolly were privately making jokes like that, I could understand that- dark humour is often a way some use to cope with grief. But random men on the internet aren't griveing family, obviously.

Edited

Yes.

The vast majority of humour relies heavily on people finding the macabre or the misfortune of others funny, think of Tom and Jerry cartoons, Charlie Chaplin or Only Fools and Horses.

Humour is an integral part of freedom of speech. Nobody is entitled to go through their life without being offended and one person's joke is usually another's offence.

Just as you find this in poor taste, I find it funny.

Balloonhearts · Yesterday 22:46

She did actually make a joke along those lines once, although I can't for the life of me remember what she was referring to. Something about having to deflate these puppies before she could get in there? Anyone remember?

I think the memes are funny and when you actually read through the many many comments, what jumps out at me is that nobody seems to have a bad word to say about her. These days that's quite a feat.

All the jokes are in good humour, mostly involving pink caskets with boob space and not a single negative word about her personally. Plenty about her kindness, generosity, sense of humour, how hard she worked and what a lovely person she was. I reckon she'd take that. There's worse things to be remembered as than an all around delightful lady with great boobs.

Jane379 · Yesterday 23:59

larkstar · Yesterday 15:40

@ITanya78 @Deadringer @sittingonabeach @Jane379 @shadowsinthegroceryline et al.

TBH on the musicians forums I'm on - where the vast majority of posters - singers, songwriters, guitarists, bass players, drummers (they even let them in!) etc are men - there has been nothing but wholesome appreciation for her talents as a songwriter, performer, entrepreneur, for her philanthropy, her wit, generosity of spirit, etc - the forums have quickly filled up with many heart felt comments even from people who don't like country music - she's appreciated not just for her talents in music but for being a thoroughly decent and compassionate human being - that she should be appreciated just for that, I think, that marks her out as a very special person indeed. I've not seen a single misplaced comment. That was a life "well lived"!

That's really good to hear! Plenty of male music fans clearly appreciate her talent : being able to play that many instruments was quite something, on top of the songwriting. And she was notably good at expanding her fans beyond country music.

Boomer55 · Today 07:50

Jane379 · Yesterday 16:48

True. I think though plenty of her money was due to her talent alone ; her exaggerated look probably helped but if she'd had the look without the talent she wouldn't have got anywhere

Yes, it was. She was a very talented songwriter and singer - and that’s what she’ll be remembered for. Along with her personality and generosity. 👍

But she freely admitted that she knew her figure and ‘assets’ covered in rhinestone would be an extra selling point.

She’s was an actuate businesswoman, in control of her own life.

Boomer55 · Today 07:56

Jane379 · Yesterday 21:17

I certainly don't think Barbara Windsor was a 'victim'.

'Not suppressed by men?' Less convinced by that. It's hard not to see a woman as somewhat suppressed who feared for years that her gangster husband would harm Sid James. She was however (I think) in the marriage by her own choice...

She definitely had similarities with Dolly but I think Dolly had a better deal overall. Not only did she have a stable marriage, she was much more in control of her career due to songwriting, good business management etc Windsor did strong dramatic work with Joan Littlewood but got somewhat typecast after the Carry On films : that was never an issue for Dolly in the same way because she controlled most of her material.

Sorry, I know that's a bit off topic!

Yes, I think BW married her dubious husband from choice. She knew that world, she knew what he was - she hung around with the Krays for years.

The marriage didn’t work, as some don’t, but she got on with life. She obviously had a thing for Sid James.

DP was different - she was married to her husband for decades, but he was never part of her professional life.

But, both women controlled their own lives.

AbacusCat · Today 08:32

Boomer55 · Today 07:56

Yes, I think BW married her dubious husband from choice. She knew that world, she knew what he was - she hung around with the Krays for years.

The marriage didn’t work, as some don’t, but she got on with life. She obviously had a thing for Sid James.

DP was different - she was married to her husband for decades, but he was never part of her professional life.

But, both women controlled their own lives.

Barbara was happy to marry Ronnie Knight but he wasn't open about the full extent of his criminal activity - that gradually came out as she got dragged into court cases. I would say she was quite naive when she married him (based on her autobiography, which incidentally is a brilliant read).

Barbara had many affairs, and so did Ronnie - she was open about being a woman who basically enjoyed sex - and good for her. Her second marriage to Stephen Hollings broke down because he lost interest in her romantically and sexually - he was a workaholic - and she understandably didn't want a life of being ignored.

She finally seemed to find happiness with Scott, and the strength of their relationship was proved when she developed Alzheimers, and Scott remained by her side to care for her as her health declined. Scott's autobiography more or less picks up where Barbara's ends and covers their last years together.

Barbara wrote of being compared to Dolly Parton, a kind of 'Britain's answer to ' She took her career along the path of acting but she was a brilliant singer in her early days on stage.

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