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Camping dilemma since fire alert

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SaturdayGiraffe · Today 07:27

Off camping next week but been told no cooking stoves allowed now - so no hot water, no hot food.
There’s no pub or shops nearby either.

The site is saying we are inside 14 day cancellation so they are charging to move the dates back and we’ll lose full amount if we go elsewhere (although not even sure where else since the phone alert).

Camping with kids, with no hot food or drink - would you do it?

Does anyone know a site where we could cook still?

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Loulou4022 · Today 10:38

Ncforthis2267 · Today 10:37

None of the things you've listed are 'banned'. Fuck me, people like you are dense little sheep. Bet you were reporting neighbours for taking more than an hours walk in the lockdowns.

No they’re not banned it’s been advised to avoid them for the safety of others!! FFS!!

Ncforthis2267 · Today 10:39

Ineffable23 · Today 10:31

Using your washing machine at home can cause a fire. So can owning a magnifying mirror. So can microwaving a sausage. The government hasn't banned anything other than the sale of disposable barbecues. Some local areas have regulations e.g. my local council has banned fires on allotments.

The government hasn't passed a law by sending an emergency alert.

They have issued statutory guidance relating to the sale of disposable barbecues:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/statutory-guidelines-on-disposable-bbqs

If anyone can show me where the law has been changed about using stoves I would be very happy to say I'm wrong.

Also, to be clear, I am not trying to say we shouldn't minimise risks, but the government definitely hasn't banned "any activity that could cause a fire". Otherwise we had all better stop using any electricity full stop. Or driving our cars because if we crashed them they could cause a fire.

This 100%. A text alert to your phone does not constitute a change of the law ffs

GoldenSandy · Today 10:39

Ineffable23 · Today 10:31

Using your washing machine at home can cause a fire. So can owning a magnifying mirror. So can microwaving a sausage. The government hasn't banned anything other than the sale of disposable barbecues. Some local areas have regulations e.g. my local council has banned fires on allotments.

The government hasn't passed a law by sending an emergency alert.

They have issued statutory guidance relating to the sale of disposable barbecues:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/statutory-guidelines-on-disposable-bbqs

If anyone can show me where the law has been changed about using stoves I would be very happy to say I'm wrong.

Also, to be clear, I am not trying to say we shouldn't minimise risks, but the government definitely hasn't banned "any activity that could cause a fire". Otherwise we had all better stop using any electricity full stop. Or driving our cars because if we crashed them they could cause a fire.

It says in the alert that you shouldn't undertake any activity that could cause a fire. How can you interpret that as it not being banned?

Rpop · Today 10:40

hgor · Today 10:25

Have you got/can you borrow a hot plate and/or air fryer, Take an extension lead and hopefully there will be somewhere to plug it in.

If it remains this hot, I couldn't imagine eating hot food.

If it cools down and rains the ban may go.

This would be my base menu in this heat:

  • Find a local bakery for pastries/fresh rolls
  • Sandwiches on crusty bread
  • Gazpacho/dips and chips with a few bits from the take away
  • Fruit and ice cream.

If I had to eat food like this for more than a day, let’s just say I wouldn’t even need a camping toilet. My insides would stop working!! I personally wouldn’t go on a holiday if I couldn’t cook / easily eat out…..

Ncforthis2267 · Today 10:41

GoldenSandy · Today 10:39

It says in the alert that you shouldn't undertake any activity that could cause a fire. How can you interpret that as it not being banned?

Duh, law is not open to personal interpretation. It is government advice, not a new law.

Camping dilemma since fire alert
Anyahyacinth · Today 10:42

Picnic food, cold drinks and food other people have cooked..cafes or take away

Ncforthis2267 · Today 10:43

HoraceCope · Today 09:33

dd also camping with friends over the bank holiday
she thought camping stoves would be ok so i will set her straight.
it will make for an expensive holiday for many people
i bet there will be deliveroo
on campsites everywhere people will have exactly the same predicament

No setting straight needed. Camping stoves are able to be used everywhere same as ever. Maybe she should make sure she has an extinguisher to hand just in case.

GoldenSandy · Today 10:44

Ncforthis2267 · Today 10:39

This 100%. A text alert to your phone does not constitute a change of the law ffs

You need a law in place in order to not do dangerous and stupid stuff?
Why would you need the threat of it being a criminal offence?!
Can't you just accept that it's a minor sacrifice to make even if you think it's being too cautious?
People have lost their homes. Miles of our countryside is on fire. Try and think beyond your own selfish needs.

MassiveOvaryaction · Today 10:44

Ineffable23 · Today 10:15

I don't think normal camping stoves have been banned so I think this is probably an overreaction by the camp site. Obviously great care is needed, make sure there's as minimised a risk of it tipping over as possible, preferably use it on a paving slab or similar, make sure you have a bucket of water and/or sand available. But I don't think camping stoves have been banned. If the government haven't banned them and the campsite has I think I'd be pretty tempted to push to get my money back.

Camping New Forest sites have banned all outdoor cooking equipment. Given the size of the fire and length of time it's been burning for I'd hardly think it's an overreaction.

Gengha · Today 10:44

Cold baked beans sandwich?

Jesus. Would people really eat this? 🤢

Ncforthis2267 · Today 10:44

SurferRona · Today 09:16

Please please don’t do this. It’s now illegal to cook with an open flame, you would have to close the tent right up and there is the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning. People have died with the dying embers of a barbecue being brought into their tent. Too easy for errors to happen, don’t take the risk.

It IS NOT illegal to now cook with an open flame. Don't be so bloody daft ffs. You are the problem stating blatantly incorrect bullshit like this as fact. Jesus wept.

MassiveOvaryaction · Today 10:45

Ncforthis2267 · Today 10:43

No setting straight needed. Camping stoves are able to be used everywhere same as ever. Maybe she should make sure she has an extinguisher to hand just in case.

Except they're not Confused

Ncforthis2267 · Today 10:46

MassiveOvaryaction · Today 10:45

Except they're not Confused

OK correction. Camping stoves are able to be used all the same places you could use them last week. Happy?

GoldenSandy · Today 10:46

Ncforthis2267 · Today 10:41

Duh, law is not open to personal interpretation. It is government advice, not a new law.

Why would you need it to be legally binding? Why can you not just follow advice that will keep people and the countryside safe?

Ncforthis2267 · Today 10:47

GoldenSandy · Today 10:46

Why would you need it to be legally binding? Why can you not just follow advice that will keep people and the countryside safe?

But the advice said nothing about using camping stoves in campsites. What advice are you following exactly?

GoldenSandy · Today 10:47

Ncforthis2267 · Today 10:44

It IS NOT illegal to now cook with an open flame. Don't be so bloody daft ffs. You are the problem stating blatantly incorrect bullshit like this as fact. Jesus wept.

Just have a campfire on your living room carpet. It's not illegal and it's indoors!

troothfairy · Today 10:48

I probably wouldn’t go - the best thing about camping is barbecuing food on an open fire and sitting around it as the night gets chillier. Are there pubs or places to get food in walking distance?

GoldenSandy · Today 10:48

Ncforthis2267 · Today 10:47

But the advice said nothing about using camping stoves in campsites. What advice are you following exactly?

It says activities that could cause a fire. How are you struggling with this.

MassiveOvaryaction · Today 10:48

Ncforthis2267 · Today 10:46

OK correction. Camping stoves are able to be used all the same places you could use them last week. Happy?

Well no. Because last week you could use them at some sites that you now can't.

Loulou4022 · Today 10:50

Ncforthis2267 · Today 10:47

But the advice said nothing about using camping stoves in campsites. What advice are you following exactly?

It said anything that could cause a fire!!!!!! A camping stove could cause a fire!!!!!!

BIossomtoes · Today 10:50

PuzzlingRecluse · Today 07:55

Omg I’ve never seen self heating meals - what are they like?

Fucking horrible. I’d rather eat sandwiches for a week.

Tableforjoan · Today 10:50

If the campsite has now basically banned all forms of cooking as they have no hook up they should refund you.

I said this on the now removed thread but not everyone can suddenly pull restaurant or take away money out their bottoms for breakfast, lunch and dinner suddenly for a week for a whole family compared to buying food from Aldi or such and cooking it via bbq or gas stove.

It’s also meant to cool down next week and over night in tents can be bloody freezing a hot drink and a hot water bottle can make all the difference things that again op now cannot do.

Rpop · Today 10:52

thelegacyofdragons · Today 10:10

A 1,5 litre bottle of frozen water will keep cold for about three days in a cool box, and you can bring sandwiches etc and just drink the water as it thaws. You can also freeze milk and things like egg muffins, pasta with pesto, wraps/tortillas with cooked shredded chicken, sesame peanut noodles or rice with vegetables..all nice to eat cold!

And freeze ice coffee to use as an ice pack as well if you are desperate for coffee.

Edited

This sounds like prep for Armageddon, not a holiday.

Anyahyacinth · Today 10:53

SummerDive · Today 09:19

You realise that in places where fires area much more common thing, it’s totally ok to have a stove to cook?
That having a stove to cook does NOT mean you’re starting a fire in the campsite.
And that the vast majority of the fires we’ve had are started VOLUNTARILY. Theyre not accident.

I actually have a big issue with our PM going on about disposable bbq. Not because they are not a problem (when used carelessly which a lot of people do). But because it gives this feeling that all the fires were started with people having a bbq/stove/camping and being careless. It is not.

How can you possibly know where the spark came from to start a wildfire?

All we can know is that the consequences are severe...wildfires cannot be outrun even in vehicles...so to avoid the risk is the decent thing to do. For very little sacrifice.

If this is about bacon sarnies OP it's incredibly easy to buy pre cooked bacon..some tomatoes etc..you've got an adapted camping breakfast. There have been lots of other suggestions for bigger meals too.

Ncforthis2267 · Today 10:54

GoldenSandy · Today 10:48

It says activities that could cause a fire. How are you struggling with this.

There are nearly 10000 car fires a year in the UK. Are you stopping driving your car now? No? Thought not.

An off the ground gas stove does not create sparks or heat near the floor. Especially if used on a slab or similar. Have extra mitigation sure, but crack on as normal. It's fine. It's legal. The risk is absolutely tiny.

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