AIBU to discuss A level success without private school spending?

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Parents/carers who have not spent a penny on Educating their children and they have just received great A level results.

The sacrifices made all the struggle,

I’m interested to discuss families where the child has succeeded without need for private school

https://www.gbnews.com/money/private-school-fees-soar-vat

https://www.ft.com/content/091b214d-231b-414a-8f3e-9ef9fc021926?syn-25a6b1a6=1

Those who did pay,

presumably to secure great results at A level

The same kids off to Uni, placements easier to secure as less international competition. Uni the playing field evens.

And now time to pay for Uni,

https://inews.co.uk/news/education/university-tuition-fees-11000-2030-4705197?srsltid=AfmBOorss52PSHD6xJzisWMdeNxcXDen3IrCGS49nnGH1ZyDnmvTOh_k

A child who did outstanding (without spending a penny) the same result as a family who spent £250k + The above article is a low estimation for a selective U.K. day/ boarding.

The kids holding the same result off to the same Uni, How are families feeling!?…. Did you save to help towards the Uni Fees/accomodation.

You do realise that the vast majority of people in the Uk don’t own either £500k+ houses, live in school catchments that have £500k + houses or have the ability to pay £25k+ per child per year in private school fees. Seriously not going to shed tears over any of these wealthy cohorts. They can squabble amongst themselves.

The Scandinavian countries lag behind the UK now in reading and maths. Massive down turn in the last couple of decades. I don’t think their model is one to follow.

But ultimately nothing wrong with private and state. We have free choice in anything in life of what to spend our money on. If someone has a salary of £100k a year and decides to have 3 children and send them state and someone else has a salary of £100k and only has 1 child and send that child private, then who is anyone to say either decision is wrong? A school is a school at the end of the day. Even if every school was state there would still be a massive disparity of demographic intake, space, parental motivation, tutoring you would never ever make schools equal. Focussing on state/private just glosses over this.

Ultimately schools are a very small part of a person’s life. I think if you get through and come out ok then regardless you are going to be fine. Years down the line no one cares. I don’t think I even have my school on my CV anymore. Can’t remember the last time it came up.

Happy not to have access to state schools if I don't have to pay the taxes that fund them.

HTH.

It will never happen.

They are a very small minority. I believe reading the thread a single digit % as opposed to 90 something of children at state.

They are free to waste their money as they see fit. It’s a free world. But, if they want to jump back to state at any entry point they join the waiting list and sit behind the reserved seats.

By the sound of things 1 in 3 on internal benefits in private school WOW! Seems to me these private schools are just full of very regular families more suited to a government school but opting to hustle for what they believe is a “superior” path to state.

If no one’s paying at private school they’ll all be closed within the next few years. It’s like having a 5* hotel throwing discounts and wondering why you can’t afford the operational costs! I’m shocked.

What's utterly disgusting is those who think that UK children whose parents are funding state schools through their taxes should have less access to those schools than those children who have already been funded by our taxes through their whole education.

You didn't answer my question. We ALL live in a bubble of our normal, right through all demographics. Most of us only have experience of one 'kind' of background. Not sure why Indie kids fet so vilified for it.

You have access but because you want to jump ship you must understand you wait the queue. Those places deserve to be reserved for the children the state nurtured and educated. Providing they meet the grades good luck any private school family believing they will cut-in line!

We don’t think.

it is fact.

Reality.

You are behind the reserved seats should you choose to apply.

The don't get less access. If you choose to join state or move to a different school for 6th form you join the queue like every other state pupil. You carnt jump the queue or push out children already on the school/college/ academy chains role.

Why, when it comes to admissions would have state school have any idea where a child has come from? If you apply to join a school you fill out the form and then The school simply judges you against the admission criteria set.

Priority is given to kids already attending the school or one of the academy chains schools because they are already on the role. If not on the role they come from elsewhere

Yes that is the admissions criteria as I said.

I believe this is the same for every year.

Families will refuse and stop paying fees! Imagine paying your child’s fee and knowing your money is going to subsidies for families 1/3 who cannot afford their own fees but believe state school is “beneath” them!

I would refuse to pay. It is shocking.

Not only for 6th these coming years there will be families, rightly so! Fleeing the private school financial burden.

At all school entry points these families will go on to waiting lists! Better to be secure at state through to 6th should you choose that Uni path.

When did this become a private vs state? Again?

the key issue is that education should be free for ALL tax payers and that - for academic schools- there should be access points where ALL able children can apply.

I cannot get my head around people wanting to “lock in” a great sixth form place, a natural access point, in year 7. This is before the child really can differentiate itself independently of parents and where longer journeys matter less.

this is just a subsection of privileged parents, patting themselves on the back for having tutored their children in and /or bought an expensive house so that everyone’s taxes can fund their special children’s superior education. And then telling all others (clever state pupils, late developers, private school children) that they are “at the back of the queue”. This actually bothers me.

All children can apply. But they have to realise they will be behind kids already on the role .

Personally I’m still waiting for state schools to be accessible to all children. Currently they are not.

You have a choice. Take up the free education place or don’t.Private kids are treated no differently to state kids who want to move to any school. Those already there that meet the admissions criteria stay if they want to( there is a lot of movement due to timetabling and courses offered, big sixth form colleges often have better choice and accommodation re timetabling). Private and state kids who want to move to said school can apply for a place and will be treated the same after pp and kids in care which is completely as it should be.

They are accessable. You just might not get a place in your chosen school which is the same for all kids in state education .

I know it’s frustrating that your money can’t buy your way into the place you want but it is what it is. The vast majority of grammar school children get very good grades so you’re really whining over a non issue.

DS was in a private primary for a short time after we relocated back to UK from living in US when he was a preschooler. It was a miserable time and we didn't like the teaching model. He joined the local primary where we settled. Never looked back.

Round here it's sixth form colleges mostly in the state sector. DS found that many of his private school friends joined the really good sixth form college he went to that's 15 mins walk from us. It's basically better than all the private school ones apart from one, so a lot of parents switch. Plus the kids in private sixth have to wear 'sixth form suits' and have timetabled sports the teens hate those things.

That is perfectly fair and correct, yes.

My kids are staying at their private school for A-levels.

As far as I am aware it is only Oxford and possibly Cambridge who have adopted anti policy against private schools kids. I won’t lose any sleep over that.

No they arent. There are thousands of SEN kids without appropriate provision.

Stay at state. Secure education, no financial burden or family financial stress. Financial stress can be all consuming, it can be fatal.

I hope any families struggling to “meet” fees understand that this is not the only way to securing their children’s future. When parents aren’t happy kids aren’t happy no matter the uniform.

When did I say that I had a child who I wanted access to a state sixth form? As probably obvious from my posts, I have no idea of the process for switching around and I don’t care.

I don’t believe that tax payer money should fund a subset of elite middle class parents locking all other out.That is it.

you are deflecting the broader issue by pointing at private school parents as you consider them privileged. I think they are, very privileged, and so are parents who have managed to squeeze their children into elite state schools.

the difference is that private school parents pay. Parents of children in elite state schools are just trying to get a freebie funded by everyone else in society. Due to a choice (and financial investment) they made for their children before year 7. Even if there are children who are more academic then their little darlings (if we are talking about an academic school).

That is wrong.

Many of the people who are the ones suffering financial stress are the parents of SEN children who have no access to the right provision in the state sector.

other people have moved their children private because of bullying or other reasons where the state sector has failed them. It is a reluctant choice of many people.

the vast majority can afford the fees fine. The reason it has become an issue in last year or so as the fees suddenly and unexpectantly went up by 20% so the choice they made when they started the school was based on fees they thought they would be paying which shot up.