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to send the tax credit numpties a cactus with a message saying, "sit on this"?

56 replies

onlyjoking9329 · 27/06/2008 11:19

I may be being a little unhinged unreasonable but thought I would check with mumsnet before I smack phone tax credits and listen to their plinky plonk music for half an hour whilst they sup tea and chat about whatever whilst I am left on hold.
I phoned them on 18th June to tell them that Steve had died so he would have to be removed from existing claim, when "sandra" took a break from chewing her gum, she asked to speak to Steve to verify the changes.
so I explained again using shorter words with heavy emphasis on certain words until she seemed to understand that she couldn't speak to Steve.
so gave her all the info and she filed her nails the info said it was all sorted no problems hope you have a nice day type stuff.
today I got a letter....
dear mrs oj thankyou for your phonecall on 18th about the death of mr oj.
please accept my apologies not for having to write to you at the time.
the claim for tax credits that you made with mr oj has been
ended, you may however want to stick pins in
your eyes make a new claim and I have arranged for a new form to be sent to you separatly.
so they have stopped our money.
I think there is a typo on the letter because it is signed. E Walker and I think it should have been... A Wanker.
if you got this far thankyou, I needed to get that off my chest.

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coolkat · 27/06/2008 18:13

Perhaps everyone on mumsnet should send them a poster of the V sign.

Hate hate hate Tax Credits. Sorry you are having to deal with this in an already horrible and very sad situation. x

ivykaty44 · 27/06/2008 18:35

www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/how-to-complain.htm

I have searched the tax credit info pages - blardy cheek, there is no details on what the proceedure is for a death details if a partner leaves or new partner moves in or goes to prison but not a death in the family.

There is a complaints form and I have pasted it above. Can d someone write the letter for the op and then it can have the blanks filled in and it can be printed and sent ??

I can't believe they dont have a proceedure for death its so bad

IllegallyBrunette · 27/06/2008 18:37

They do exactly the same thing if you ring up to say that you have split with your husband/partner. Not the same thing at all but you know what I mean.

You have to make a new claim, and whilst it is processed they stop all of your money.

They are wankers

AbstractMouse · 27/06/2008 18:40

Thats utterly shit, such a stupid fecking system, they didn't make me do a new claim when I moved in with Dp, just added him to it. Can't see any reason why removing someone from a claim would be any different.

expatinscotland · 27/06/2008 18:42

Nothing like taking the poorest of the poor and dropping them in it at the worst possible moment.

IllegallyBrunette · 27/06/2008 18:43

I did actually ask them why they did it, and i think they said that it was the rules , and when I asked what I was supposed to do for money in the 6 weeks it could take to process the claim, the bloke actually said 'sorry love, but thats not my problem is it'.

ivykaty44 · 27/06/2008 18:55

IllegallyB - that isn't the same thing, and this is why the stupid girl asked to speak to the other person.

At a time when you are going to be at an all time low you need to have a different sheet from split with partner - I do understand the difficulty of that but death is different and needs tact and undestanding on a different level.

With funerals to organise and other stuff to pay out for this is not a time to stop money coming into the household.

expatinscotland · 27/06/2008 19:14

Ivy, NO ONE should have money stopped for death or splitting from a partner. People have to be poor enough to qualify for these credits, after all. And keep in mind that many people are splitting from a partner because of violence or abuse.

IllegallyBrunette · 27/06/2008 19:19

I did say that it wasn't the same, did i not ??

However, it stil results in needy people being left high and dry at a time when they most need help.

FAQ · 27/06/2008 19:24

what utter wankers!

Why couldn't they just get your details over the phone, then send you a form to check and sign?

I know it's slightly different, but that's what they did for me when I split with H - they took my details for a new claim over the phone, and it was all sorted really quickly - all I had to do was fill in the form to confirm the changes and send it back - didn't have any "gap" in my payments.

Utterly shit for you

onlyjoking9329 · 27/06/2008 20:51

but thats just it she did take all my details over the phone, whilst i was on the phone to her tracey was sitting here and i was looking at my on line banking so that i could give precise amounts on how much my works pension had paid me and everything else. when she said it was all sorted i asked her if that meant that i didn't have to do anything else and she said that was correct.
i couldn't take their crap find the time to phone them today so i will do it on monday when tracey is here and i have waved the kids off for their school resi trip.

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expatinscotland · 27/06/2008 20:56

seriously, OJ, dash off an email to your MP.

reference the conversation you had with this sandy eejit and your letter from this e. walker person.

this is ridiculous!

and it's an 0845 number when you're at your most needy, like adding insult to injury.

misdee · 27/06/2008 20:59

tax credits take the piss.

sorry you are having to deal with them at this time OJ

tribpot · 27/06/2008 21:09

Yes - please please speak to your MP. He/she will be appalled and bring a shower of shit down to bear upon them, I truly hope.

All they've done to me this year is tell me me and dh separated this time last year. We're a bit confused by it due to the not having separated at all angle.

How very fucking dare they be so insensitive at such a time and

onlyjoking9329 · 27/06/2008 21:13

i will get tracey to help me with the forms on monday, my next door but one neighbour was an mp but to be honest i don't know if she still is, she is lovely lady and came to steves funeral, i am just crap at dealing with people at the moment, i can't face going to the shop on my own, sports day was bloody scary and i have presentation evening coming up too, i am usually very confident in public but i am struggling with going anywhere where i might see someone who asks the dreaded question "hows Steve"and then i have to explain about steve and i feel crap having to relive it all then try and comfort them cos they are embarassed, and if one morw person sugests he is in a better place or says they are sorry i lost steve like i was careless or something then i may be forced to swear.
but things will get better and i will be able to fight my corner, just not at the moment.

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DutchOma · 28/06/2008 10:26

Check with the internet whether she still is an MP, just type in your postcode and you'll find it very quickly. Have a word with your neighbour anyway, she will know the ropes even if she isn't MP any more.
At least you won't have to explain to her that you haven't been careless in 'losing' Steve

onlyjoking9329 · 28/06/2008 21:06

thanks for all the suggestions, i have checked and she isn't an MP anymore, i will phone tax credits on monday or i will get my mate to phone on my behalf

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gigglewitch · 28/06/2008 21:29

can we all thump tax credits on your behalf? [as if anybody needs an excuse]

I lurk more than post on your threads but am unreasonably at the way they treat someone who is in a difficult situation already and just succeeded in making the whole thing even more stressful. Grrrr.
i know i've not said anything useful but just got all of a need to post

DutchOma · 29/06/2008 08:52

Getting a mate to phone on your behalf is very hard. They managed to stress my dh out to the point of tears when I just wanted to phone on his behalf.
Even if your friend is no longer the MP she must know who is and I would still drop them a line. They've got to investigate and act on your behalf. We went down that route a couple of times and think we would have been successful even if we hadn't been on first name terms with the MP in question.

milliec · 29/06/2008 09:20

Message withdrawn

Alambil · 29/06/2008 11:28

OJ, I'm appalled, but not surprised

I hope you don't mind - I bashed out a letter to your MP incase you want to complain to them. I hope I haven't trodden on your toes, so to speak.

Take care x

To Mr * Rt Hon MP,

I would like to bring to your attention a severe flaw in the Tax Credit system that I was unfortunate enough to witness first hand on the 18th June 2008.

My beloved husband died on X, so according to the rules of claiming Tax Credits, I telephoned them on the 18th June 2008 and spoke to Sandra in the call centre to change our claim. It was at this point that the unmitigated disasters began.

I took my time giving Sandra specific details of payments made to me, monies coming in and monies going out and of course, asked to change the claim to just my name. Sandra asked, after hearing that my husband, Mr OJ, needed to be taken off the claim, if she could speak to him to confirm this step. I was shocked at her utter incompetence. She was beyond rude and insensitive by asking this. However, I calmly informed her again that Mr OJ had recently passed away and she filed all the information on my account.

Before ending the telephone call, Sandra assured me that there was no other information needed and the claim would be adjusted. I specifically asked her to confirm this was the case. She did and I ended the telephone call in the belief that I needed to do nothing else and that the monies I am due would still be paid on time.

On the 27th June 2008 I received a letter. It stated that I had telephoned them on the 18th June and that my Tax Credit claim has now ended. It also stated that I may need to make a new claim and the forms were enclosed on which to do so.

At a time of extreme sadness and stress, I am utterly appalled at this situation. Sandra confirmed to me that the claim was still active; it had merely changed, not that I needed to end the claim completely and re-apply for a new one.

As you can understand, I am furious with this. At a time when people need the utmost consideration and understanding, I am appalled that a Government office demands they be put severely out of pocket and placed under unnecessary stress to re-apply for something that is easy to sort out with a few checks in place.

I ask you to raise this issue in your next Commons meeting and that it is looked at closely. I would like to think a new system could be set up whereby bereaved people are able to telephone a seperate number to deal with people who are calm, considerate and do not ask to speak to the person who has just died. I also suggest that this system changes the claims made by the families and simply asks for a death certificate to be shown within 30 or 60 days after the change of details is made. This will give bereaved families the space and time to deal with issues like this without losing vital income at an unbelievably stressful time.

Thank you in advance for raising this issue on behalf of your constituents.

Yours sincerely, (faithfully?)

Mrs OJ.

milliec · 29/06/2008 16:27

Message withdrawn

ivykaty44 · 29/06/2008 18:24

Raise this with James Plaskitt - as he is the minister that covers this department.

TheChicken · 29/06/2008 18:28

sorry its so crap
but your op is great

Alambil · 29/06/2008 18:53

Good point Millie

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