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The Jason Arday scandal, part deux

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KatiePricesKnickers · 10/08/2026 07:09

As the book launch is coming, let the discussion continue.

First thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5563599-the-jason-arday-scandal?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share
This is lifted from the thread in the education section, which is an interesting summary
https://www.ian-leslie.com/p/the-great-and-unfortunate-story-of?r=8w0woc&triedRedirect=true

Or AIBU with not letting this fade away?

The Great and Unfortunate Story of Jason Arday

A One-Stop Shop For the Craziest Scandal of 2026

https://www.ian-leslie.com/p/the-great-and-unfortunate-story-of?r=8w0woc&triedRedirect=true

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CreativeGreen · 17/08/2026 20:36

Nameychangington · 17/08/2026 20:34

Genuinely, it isn't. I work at a different institution than the University of Cambridge but one which is akin to it in outlook. For the top type of job here, equivalent to a professorship there, being outstanding at your job is assumed in applicants, and doesn't form part of the interview process.

Maybe that's part of how we got here - an assumption by Cambridge that anyone who'd apply for a professorship at Cambridge would of course be a world class academic, because they all are, because it's Cambridge.

I think also not everyone understands that a professor is not just a “uni teacher”

ScholesPanda · 18/08/2026 04:34

Nameychangington · 16/08/2026 12:32

Grow up. Someone having died does not and should not exempt them from being discussed, especially when they have made a career courting publicity.

No one is sending the thread to his grieving family, this is a public forum. Point at the posts 'luxuriating in the suffering of others'. You can't, there aren't any.

Yes I do think I'm morally superior to people who steal and lie and then try to shut down questions about their lying, stealing, and inability to do a job they're paid handsomely for, by claiming racism. Not sure how that's going to 'catch up' with me. I think you should be ashamed, for trying to shame others out of discussing how and why this situation has come about, and what it means about our institutions and our society. But I dare say you'll continue to believe you occupy the moral high ground, while trying to control what people say so it fits your belief about what should be allowed to be questioned.

I'm fully grown up, thanks. I notice your belief in free speech ran as far as having my comment deleted because it upset you so much- of course, I acknowledge this might not have been you.

I'm sorry, I was brought up not to speak ill of the dead. I think that is a core British belief. Yes, continue to question the institutions. But I don't get what you get out of attacking this man who is now dead. Who has a grieving widowand children. Yet you think you're superior to him. I doubt you're perfect, neither am I, neither was he. It just baffles me, and yet you think you're soooo moral.

You think you can dismiss me as a leftie, makes it easier for you to hate, but I feel the same about Charlie Kirk, Anne Widdecombe et al. Their ideas live on and should be debated as ideas, but why tear these poor people down when their families are still grieving? It's just cruel.

Todolisttoolong · 18/08/2026 06:21

ScholesPanda · 18/08/2026 04:34

I'm fully grown up, thanks. I notice your belief in free speech ran as far as having my comment deleted because it upset you so much- of course, I acknowledge this might not have been you.

I'm sorry, I was brought up not to speak ill of the dead. I think that is a core British belief. Yes, continue to question the institutions. But I don't get what you get out of attacking this man who is now dead. Who has a grieving widowand children. Yet you think you're superior to him. I doubt you're perfect, neither am I, neither was he. It just baffles me, and yet you think you're soooo moral.

You think you can dismiss me as a leftie, makes it easier for you to hate, but I feel the same about Charlie Kirk, Anne Widdecombe et al. Their ideas live on and should be debated as ideas, but why tear these poor people down when their families are still grieving? It's just cruel.

So you disagree with posters who say ‘how dare you mention Saville in this context’ because that statement is speaking ill of the dead. I presume you also think Saville’s crimes should never have been investigated and his victims left without any recognition - because that would also have been speaking ill of the dead.

Why do you think victims, be they of sex attacks or scammers, should be gaslit and ignored just because the perpetrators have died?

Glitterella · 18/08/2026 06:32

ScholesPanda · 18/08/2026 04:34

I'm fully grown up, thanks. I notice your belief in free speech ran as far as having my comment deleted because it upset you so much- of course, I acknowledge this might not have been you.

I'm sorry, I was brought up not to speak ill of the dead. I think that is a core British belief. Yes, continue to question the institutions. But I don't get what you get out of attacking this man who is now dead. Who has a grieving widowand children. Yet you think you're superior to him. I doubt you're perfect, neither am I, neither was he. It just baffles me, and yet you think you're soooo moral.

You think you can dismiss me as a leftie, makes it easier for you to hate, but I feel the same about Charlie Kirk, Anne Widdecombe et al. Their ideas live on and should be debated as ideas, but why tear these poor people down when their families are still grieving? It's just cruel.

What utter nonsense to not speak ill of the dead. There are plenty of absolute terrible dead humans in our history who are spoken of daily.

JA didn’t quietly take up a post at Cambridge. He had a full scale public persona which included releasing a memoir at the age of 41 when most people are still trying to figure out their lives. It’s one of the side effects of living life out loud like he did… to be spoken of! You dont just switch that off when you decide to kill your self.

Nameychangington · 18/08/2026 07:44

ScholesPanda · 18/08/2026 04:34

I'm fully grown up, thanks. I notice your belief in free speech ran as far as having my comment deleted because it upset you so much- of course, I acknowledge this might not have been you.

I'm sorry, I was brought up not to speak ill of the dead. I think that is a core British belief. Yes, continue to question the institutions. But I don't get what you get out of attacking this man who is now dead. Who has a grieving widowand children. Yet you think you're superior to him. I doubt you're perfect, neither am I, neither was he. It just baffles me, and yet you think you're soooo moral.

You think you can dismiss me as a leftie, makes it easier for you to hate, but I feel the same about Charlie Kirk, Anne Widdecombe et al. Their ideas live on and should be debated as ideas, but why tear these poor people down when their families are still grieving? It's just cruel.

No, I didn't get your post deleted - I wouldn't bother replying to a post that I thought wouldn't be there.

I think it's childish to say you shouldn't speak ill of the dead. If anything I think it's a superstitious belief, rather than a British value.We have to be able to discuss events and people as they really were, and we can't do that if you fence off anyone who's died. If we do that we can't speak the truth, and we can't learn anything.

I never called you a leftie, I don't think honesty should be a left/right issue, and I certainly don't hate you, why would I? I can cope with people disagreeing with me without thinking they're evil - again, I think characterising disagreement as hate is adolescent, and I think that the spread of that kind of rhetoric in public discourse has debased us as a society.

No one is aiming this discussion at a grieving family, suggesting that talking about someone with a high public profile is cruel is trying to shut down debate. Am I allowed to say Kurt Cobain was a junkie? Am I allowed to say Princess Diana was frivolous? Their families will still be grieving. Having died cannot mean you can't be criticised.

Gloriia · 18/08/2026 07:57

Nameychangington · 18/08/2026 07:44

No, I didn't get your post deleted - I wouldn't bother replying to a post that I thought wouldn't be there.

I think it's childish to say you shouldn't speak ill of the dead. If anything I think it's a superstitious belief, rather than a British value.We have to be able to discuss events and people as they really were, and we can't do that if you fence off anyone who's died. If we do that we can't speak the truth, and we can't learn anything.

I never called you a leftie, I don't think honesty should be a left/right issue, and I certainly don't hate you, why would I? I can cope with people disagreeing with me without thinking they're evil - again, I think characterising disagreement as hate is adolescent, and I think that the spread of that kind of rhetoric in public discourse has debased us as a society.

No one is aiming this discussion at a grieving family, suggesting that talking about someone with a high public profile is cruel is trying to shut down debate. Am I allowed to say Kurt Cobain was a junkie? Am I allowed to say Princess Diana was frivolous? Their families will still be grieving. Having died cannot mean you can't be criticised.

Exactly and many are running about using sickening language like 'he was lynched!' and suggesting anyone is celebrating his death. Both clearly untrue.

So yes we'd all rather not to have keep reminding people of the facts that he was a fantasist who had made a fortune from his stories. Cambridge used him as a dei poster boy then when the scrutiny got too much he decided to leave his kids without a df. Those are the sad facts.

Lougle · 18/08/2026 08:14

Sunnibee · 17/08/2026 17:51

I don't think he was a con man lavishing in the limelight at all. Have you seen some of his interviews? He comes across as shy, gentle and reserved. I do think he was fetishized by the University and the press, which led to first praise and then take down.

I think there is evidence to suggest he had a tendency to exaggerate/ embellish personal anecdotes about his life in media interactions/ interviews. That's it - all I think he was "guilty" of. And I don't particularly see how it matters much if some details were exaggerated in his conversations with press.
I don't think that makes him a con artist or a fraud, or renders him unqualified to do his job.
I also think some of this tendency may relate to his neurodivergence, rather than a deliberate attempt to deceive or manipulate. In some neurodivergent people, differences in social communication, scripting and a strong tendency towards people-pleasing might contribute to personal experiences being recounted in an embellished way, without this necessarily involving intentional or calculated deception.

I do not in any way think he deserved the scrutiny and public shaming that he received- the whole affair was entirely disproportionate, evidently driven by and fueled by racism, and led to the most tragic of consequences.

The 'exaggerations', as you have called them, matter because they form part of the justification for the honorary doctorates that have been awarded. One article linked above talks about the reinforcement that comes from validation. You can see that one institution has accepted all of the claims, and then another institution repeats them - if Anglia Ruskin has awarded a doctorate, so can we...

It matters. I wish someone had stopped him. I wish his family had said 'Jason, enough now.' Perhaps they did.

The trouble is that each thing on its own is plausible. When you combine them, it's hard to see how it could be plausible for it all to be true.

CreativeGreen · 18/08/2026 08:15

It is also worth remembering that if 41 year olds don’t usually write their memoirs, academics certainly don’t. Why not a monograph? Who let him do that and was it going in the REF?

Gloriia · 18/08/2026 08:20

The event/vigil/protest last night should have been held in the grounds of Cambridge uni people could've shouted actual relevant things into their loud speakers asking why they'd egged him on. That is where the fury should be directed.

bewilderedhedgehog · 18/08/2026 08:32

Gloriia · 18/08/2026 07:57

Exactly and many are running about using sickening language like 'he was lynched!' and suggesting anyone is celebrating his death. Both clearly untrue.

So yes we'd all rather not to have keep reminding people of the facts that he was a fantasist who had made a fortune from his stories. Cambridge used him as a dei poster boy then when the scrutiny got too much he decided to leave his kids without a df. Those are the sad facts.

I think that if you are referring to specific newspapers you should acknowledge your source please. Also in the uk public sector including Cambridge University, DEI is not a recognised abbreviation. EDI links back to the equality act of 2010 directly.

Sunnibee · 18/08/2026 08:33

Lougle · 18/08/2026 08:14

The 'exaggerations', as you have called them, matter because they form part of the justification for the honorary doctorates that have been awarded. One article linked above talks about the reinforcement that comes from validation. You can see that one institution has accepted all of the claims, and then another institution repeats them - if Anglia Ruskin has awarded a doctorate, so can we...

It matters. I wish someone had stopped him. I wish his family had said 'Jason, enough now.' Perhaps they did.

The trouble is that each thing on its own is plausible. When you combine them, it's hard to see how it could be plausible for it all to be true.

First of all- some of the claims- he ran 30 marathons in 36 days, have contemporaneous evidence suggesting they are in fact true.

Second- even if some things were embellished - (eg he didn't personally raise 5.5 mil he was part of a syndicate that raised that amount) he may well have deserved those honorary awards anyway.

third- even if he didn't deserve to win an honorary doctorate from ARU- so..? That's what we are all up in arms about? A possibly undeserved honorary doctorate from ARU? Thats the terrible harm this poor man inflicted on the world? Despite the fact that is confers almost zero practical advantage?
That's front page news for weeks? It justifies the public hounding and shaming of a vulnerable austitic man, directly leading to his death?

CreativeGreen · 18/08/2026 08:38

Can I have an award? I may well deserve it! And contemporaneous accounts (things I was saying at the time I claim to have done things) suggest I did do those things!

Gloriia · 18/08/2026 08:40

bewilderedhedgehog · 18/08/2026 08:32

I think that if you are referring to specific newspapers you should acknowledge your source please. Also in the uk public sector including Cambridge University, DEI is not a recognised abbreviation. EDI links back to the equality act of 2010 directly.

Does it matter what abbreviation is used? You know exactly what is being referred to.

CreativeGreen · 18/08/2026 08:40

being a professor at Cambridge very much confers a lot of practical and pecuniary advantage.

Pacificbeach · 18/08/2026 08:42

Cambridge are making themselves look ridiculous. Perhaps it’s more that they look craven and cynical. The doubling down is tin eared.

Sunnibee · 18/08/2026 08:43

Gloriia · 18/08/2026 08:20

The event/vigil/protest last night should have been held in the grounds of Cambridge uni people could've shouted actual relevant things into their loud speakers asking why they'd egged him on. That is where the fury should be directed.

There was a vigil in Cambridge- outside the university and organised by the doctoral students Arday taught. These are its remnants.

The Jason Arday scandal, part deux
The Jason Arday scandal, part deux
bewilderedhedgehog · 18/08/2026 08:45

Gloriia · 18/08/2026 08:40

Does it matter what abbreviation is used? You know exactly what is being referred to.

Yes it does actually. DEI is imported from the US, and used by some organisations to change the emphasis on what the programmes mean.

Pacificbeach · 18/08/2026 08:46

Jason Arday as the individual, human side of this is tragic and you have to have compassion. Cambridge as an institution that receives a fair amount of subsidies from all of us is a different matter.

This two part documentary is very interesting and still on BBC iplayer. What starts in America rarely stays in America.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002v2w6

Storyville - Speechless: 1. The New Campus Revolution

A Storyville documentary that delves into the heart of the culture wars and freedom of speech conversations that have exploded on US campuses over the last ten years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002v2w6/storyville-speechless-1-the-new-campus-revolution

Sunnibee · 18/08/2026 08:47

CreativeGreen · 18/08/2026 08:40

being a professor at Cambridge very much confers a lot of practical and pecuniary advantage.

Absolutely.
and all of the aspects of his cv/ credentials on which his position at Cambridge was given, were true.
How much money he raised for charity was irrelevant to his obtaining that position at Cambridge.

Gloriia · 18/08/2026 08:48

Sunnibee · 18/08/2026 08:33

First of all- some of the claims- he ran 30 marathons in 36 days, have contemporaneous evidence suggesting they are in fact true.

Second- even if some things were embellished - (eg he didn't personally raise 5.5 mil he was part of a syndicate that raised that amount) he may well have deserved those honorary awards anyway.

third- even if he didn't deserve to win an honorary doctorate from ARU- so..? That's what we are all up in arms about? A possibly undeserved honorary doctorate from ARU? Thats the terrible harm this poor man inflicted on the world? Despite the fact that is confers almost zero practical advantage?
That's front page news for weeks? It justifies the public hounding and shaming of a vulnerable austitic man, directly leading to his death?

It has been in the papers for approx 2 weeks. More over the weekend since his death obviously.

Again he seemed 'happy' to hound and shame <if that is what we are calling question nowadays> investigative journalists who were on to him by using solicitors and the police to shut them up.

I'm sorry for his dc that he is dead. The blame and 'lynching' witch hunt hate has got to stop though.

We know that happened, stop minimising the whole thing. He made a fortune, he was on tv, he put himself in the spotlight. He deserved scrutiny

Gloriia · 18/08/2026 08:50

Sunnibee · 18/08/2026 08:43

There was a vigil in Cambridge- outside the university and organised by the doctoral students Arday taught. These are its remnants.

Edited

Loud speakers? Anyone shouting say his name or that the dons had blood on their hands and Cambridge had 'lynched' him. Nope.

Lougle · 18/08/2026 08:51

Sunnibee · 18/08/2026 08:33

First of all- some of the claims- he ran 30 marathons in 36 days, have contemporaneous evidence suggesting they are in fact true.

Second- even if some things were embellished - (eg he didn't personally raise 5.5 mil he was part of a syndicate that raised that amount) he may well have deserved those honorary awards anyway.

third- even if he didn't deserve to win an honorary doctorate from ARU- so..? That's what we are all up in arms about? A possibly undeserved honorary doctorate from ARU? Thats the terrible harm this poor man inflicted on the world? Despite the fact that is confers almost zero practical advantage?
That's front page news for weeks? It justifies the public hounding and shaming of a vulnerable austitic man, directly leading to his death?

Disagree - there is an article from 13th August 2010 which says he has 6 left to do, and one on 25th saying that he has finished. There's no evidence to say he actually did run 30 in 35. Also, the photographic evidence manifestly refutes the claim that his leg was twice its normal size. He also claimed that thousands of people were cheering him on, which is untrue.

You can't claim someone deserves something just because you think they're a nice person.

I also disagree that the coverage directly lead to his death. Many others have had coverage and did not kill themselves. The coverage would have gone away if he had been honest and said 'yeah, I told some porkies'.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 18/08/2026 08:55

So much of the u-turn isn’t because of a change in the facts, but because of a cultural knee-jerk response to ‘not speak ill of the dead’,

The inquest and the medical records will at least shed some light on the brain tumours, testicular cancer, locked in syndrome, month long coma and whatever else

its like people faking cancer online

Sunnibee · 18/08/2026 09:04

Lougle · 18/08/2026 08:51

Disagree - there is an article from 13th August 2010 which says he has 6 left to do, and one on 25th saying that he has finished. There's no evidence to say he actually did run 30 in 35. Also, the photographic evidence manifestly refutes the claim that his leg was twice its normal size. He also claimed that thousands of people were cheering him on, which is untrue.

You can't claim someone deserves something just because you think they're a nice person.

I also disagree that the coverage directly lead to his death. Many others have had coverage and did not kill themselves. The coverage would have gone away if he had been honest and said 'yeah, I told some porkies'.

There's no evidence to say he actually did run 30 in 35

I disagree. There is evidence that he did run the marathons, including contemporary reports documenting his progress and completion. His contemporaneous 2010 JustGiving page documents the challenge, Tes reported on it while it was taking place, and it was subsequently reported by the Guardian and recorded by St Mary’s University as a completed challenge. That doesn't establish every detail of the story, but it certainly isn't accurate to say there is “no evidence” he did it.

I also don't think the argument is that he should have received awards simply because he was a “nice person”; I think there is insufficient evidence that he did not deserve the awards he received.

More importantly, I don't think he should have been made front-page news and subjected to an intense campaign of scrutiny and condemnation on the scale he was.

Describing this as him simply “telling porkies”, which he should have just admitted to, is extraordinarily devoid of empathy, particularly given that he died by suicide. This wasn't an abstract argument about whether someone had embellished aspects of their life: a vulnerable autistic man was subjected to sustained, highly personal media scrutiny and public ridicule. Simon Baron-Cohen, who knew him personally and is a leading researcher on autism and suicidality, explicitly warned that autistic people face a substantially elevated risk of suicide and said he was deeply concerned about the impact the coverage was having on Jason. He described the treatment as “relentless bullying of a vulnerable autistic man” and said it raised safeguarding concerns. That warning was made while the campaign was still ongoing, yet the scrutiny continued.

So saying “the coverage would have gone away if he'd just admitted he told porkies” completely misses the point. It treats the matter as though the only relevant consideration was whether he had been truthful, while ignoring the very real human consequences of turning a vulnerable individual into a national object of ridicule. He did not deserve to die, and I don't think we should retrospectively pretend that the manner in which he was publicly pursued is irrelevant simply because there may have been some legitimate questions about some of his claims.

Queenncat · 18/08/2026 09:17

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 18/08/2026 08:55

So much of the u-turn isn’t because of a change in the facts, but because of a cultural knee-jerk response to ‘not speak ill of the dead’,

The inquest and the medical records will at least shed some light on the brain tumours, testicular cancer, locked in syndrome, month long coma and whatever else

its like people faking cancer online

'The inquest and the medical records will at least shed some light on the brain tumours, testicular cancer, locked in syndrome, month long coma and whatever else'

Did he claim that too? did he claim to have had

  • a brain tumour?
  • testicular cancer
  • locked in Syndrome?
  • a month long coma?

?????

I read he claimed to have had a broken leg whilst running a marathon, but I haven't seen the other medically-related claims