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The Jason Arday scandal, part deux

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KatiePricesKnickers · 10/08/2026 07:09

As the book launch is coming, let the discussion continue.

First thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5563599-the-jason-arday-scandal?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share
This is lifted from the thread in the education section, which is an interesting summary
https://www.ian-leslie.com/p/the-great-and-unfortunate-story-of?r=8w0woc&triedRedirect=true

Or AIBU with not letting this fade away?

The Great and Unfortunate Story of Jason Arday

A One-Stop Shop For the Craziest Scandal of 2026

https://www.ian-leslie.com/p/the-great-and-unfortunate-story-of?r=8w0woc&triedRedirect=true

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KatiePricesKnickers · 17/08/2026 11:50

KatiePricesKnickers · 16/08/2026 16:46

James O’Brien will be insufferable tomorrow.
He loves to wallow in a bit of racism.

He’s gone for racism.
Correction, he did say Arday was a fabulist ( so acknowledging the lies) but once uncovered, it was the racism that did for him.

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Greywizardtotherescue · 17/08/2026 11:53

Sunnibee · 16/08/2026 13:19

I'm not disputing that the MMR controversy received extensive media coverage, but I'd never heard of Andrew Wakefield or seen his face until this discussion. His face certainly wasn't plastered across my Facebook feed for weeks, as JA was.

Being the subject of extensive news reporting isn't necessarily the same as having the kind of sustained, personal public shaming that JA received.

Also the comparison isn't particularly persuasive on the substance either: Wakefield's case involved serious professional misconduct and deliberate research fraud, with consequences for public confidence in vaccination and public health on a very different scale. The nature, reach and impact of the two controversies are not remotely equivalent.

Social media wasn’t a thing in 1998!
Facebook didn’t exist until 2004!
Anyone who hasn’t heard about him must having living as a hermit or too young.
It was a real worry giving your children the MMR vaccine!
There were documentaries made with people discussing whether to vaccinate their children.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 17/08/2026 11:54

KatiePricesKnickers · 17/08/2026 11:03

What research output?

Indeed

Sunnibee · 17/08/2026 12:35

Gloriia · 17/08/2026 10:26

'The claim he made to media that he raised over £5.5m may well be an embellishment / exaggeration. He's since acknowledged that this amount was accounting for his participation in a large effort/ syndicate. Anyway - so what?'

'Anyway, so what?' Well with all his other tall stories it adds to the picture of an embellisher

'Regarding the pig - the Metropolitan Police said it had no record of an investigation, that establishes that the Met could not substantiate an investigation from its records; it does not, by itself, establish that the underlying incident did not occur'

Oh for goodness sake. If they'd investigated it there'd have been a record. Stop clutching at straws.

Anyway. It does seem in bad taste at this stage to keep nit picking. We can all but hope that Cambridge et al do better next time they recruit.

Edited

Yes, a guy who embellished personal anecdotes about his life story when interviewed by media. Pretty ordinary.
There's a very long way from that to con man/ academic fraud/ not qualified for his position.

Gloriia · 17/08/2026 12:52

Sunnibee · 17/08/2026 12:35

Yes, a guy who embellished personal anecdotes about his life story when interviewed by media. Pretty ordinary.
There's a very long way from that to con man/ academic fraud/ not qualified for his position.

There was nothing ordinary about his stories. Fine you want to minimise but we've all seen exactly what what he said in his many interviews. Not ordinary in the slightest.

I hope the students get some recompense. Perhaps there should be a crowd funder for that.

Sunnibee · 17/08/2026 13:36

Gloriia · 17/08/2026 12:52

There was nothing ordinary about his stories. Fine you want to minimise but we've all seen exactly what what he said in his many interviews. Not ordinary in the slightest.

I hope the students get some recompense. Perhaps there should be a crowd funder for that.

I'm not "minimising", you are contributing to a wildly exaggerated and harmful media narrative that this man was a "con artist" and an academic "fraudster".

What he appears to be is much more ordinary - an man who embellished/ exaggerated personal anecdotes about his life in media interviews.

That says nothing about his qualifications to do his job.

Everanewbie · 17/08/2026 13:55

I love how the all the lefties are now crying about how we shouldn't speak ill of the dead. The deaths of Ann Widecombe, Charlie Kirk, Margaret Thatcher deaths all come immediately to mind. All the commentators and talking heads that came on every political programme for "balance" crowing about how they aren't mourning the person.

Gloriia · 17/08/2026 14:01

Everanewbie · 17/08/2026 13:55

I love how the all the lefties are now crying about how we shouldn't speak ill of the dead. The deaths of Ann Widecombe, Charlie Kirk, Margaret Thatcher deaths all come immediately to mind. All the commentators and talking heads that came on every political programme for "balance" crowing about how they aren't mourning the person.

It's appalling isn't it. And actually no one is speaking ill of anyone, no one is celebrating like so many sickos did when Kirk was murdered.

Just rather patiently reminding those who think JA was 'hounded' that it was a 'witchhunt' that no, it wasn't. He was found out and sadly couldn't cope with losing his position and all that went with it. So sad for his kids.

Everanewbie · 17/08/2026 14:08

Gloriia · 17/08/2026 14:01

It's appalling isn't it. And actually no one is speaking ill of anyone, no one is celebrating like so many sickos did when Kirk was murdered.

Just rather patiently reminding those who think JA was 'hounded' that it was a 'witchhunt' that no, it wasn't. He was found out and sadly couldn't cope with losing his position and all that went with it. So sad for his kids.

Absolutely. But I am sad for JA and his family and I am upset that he did what he did. I wanted him to live out a fulfilling, peaceful and happy life and I am sad that he couldn't find a way to do this.

Gloriia · 17/08/2026 14:08

Sunnibee · 17/08/2026 14:05

Well he would say that wouldn't he.

Everanewbie · 17/08/2026 14:11

Gloriia · 17/08/2026 14:08

Well he would say that wouldn't he.

Well yes. He was never going to say:

"do you know what? We were so giddy that we appointed someone who appeared to tick just about every box going, we didn't actually think to see if he checked out, the responsibility lies equally between us for putting him on a pedestal that he hadn't earned, and him for dishonesty and ultimately committing suicide"

Sunnibee · 17/08/2026 14:23

Everanewbie · 17/08/2026 14:11

Well yes. He was never going to say:

"do you know what? We were so giddy that we appointed someone who appeared to tick just about every box going, we didn't actually think to see if he checked out, the responsibility lies equally between us for putting him on a pedestal that he hadn't earned, and him for dishonesty and ultimately committing suicide"

I hope they will reflect and acknowledge responsibility for their role in this.

I also hope there is an enquiry into the behaviour of the media, and broader social reflection about how society engaged in a racist feeding frenzy which cost this man his life.

Queenncat · 17/08/2026 14:26

Everanewbie · 17/08/2026 13:55

I love how the all the lefties are now crying about how we shouldn't speak ill of the dead. The deaths of Ann Widecombe, Charlie Kirk, Margaret Thatcher deaths all come immediately to mind. All the commentators and talking heads that came on every political programme for "balance" crowing about how they aren't mourning the person.

Usual hypocrisy from certain quarters

Queenncat · 17/08/2026 14:28

'how society engaged in a racist feeding frenzy which cost this man his life.'

Bloomin heck you should write for the guardian. or the daily mail. They both thrive on inaccurate hyperbolic journalism

Everanewbie · 17/08/2026 14:31

Sunnibee · 17/08/2026 14:23

I hope they will reflect and acknowledge responsibility for their role in this.

I also hope there is an enquiry into the behaviour of the media, and broader social reflection about how society engaged in a racist feeding frenzy which cost this man his life.

In the best of faith I don't think the frenzy is grounded on racism. I think it is based on a frustration against DEI policies that hire based on criteria other than merit. I believe strongly that we MUST judge people on their achievements, their character, their abilities and their personalities, and we should seek to address inequalities by hiring based on ability, and if that means it takes longer to address the numbers, then too bad, because the alternative is that better candidates are turned away.

I don't take any glee at the fall from grace of a black man. However, initially, I must admit to a wry smile at the fact that an obvious DEI hire backfired so spectacularly, especially against the smug academics who practically canonised JA. That wry smile turned to sadness once I heard the news of his death.

Gloriia · 17/08/2026 14:33

Sunnibee · 17/08/2026 14:23

I hope they will reflect and acknowledge responsibility for their role in this.

I also hope there is an enquiry into the behaviour of the media, and broader social reflection about how society engaged in a racist feeding frenzy which cost this man his life.

He took his own life, sadly. When anyone does that there is always this need to blame others. However we are told time and time again by experts that it is the person who is always responsible.

The hyperbole about 'feeding frenzy' and some commentators online <even alleged academics> calling it a 'public lynching' are sick.

He should not have been in that role, students should have been listened to and those challenging his stories should not have been reported to the police.

A terrible chain of events.

BreezyShaker · 17/08/2026 14:38

A tragedy he is dead but it was not a racist rightwing witch hunt, even the Guardian didn't believe a word of it in the end.

  1. Clearly plagiarised phd - this is beyond doubt when you compare texts side by side.
  2. Ludicrous exaggerations about running marathons (including with broken leg), raising £5m for charity.
  3. Claimed brain tumour in middle of phd and then had a stroke - very easy to prove if either was true.
  4. Claimed to be profesional footballer and snooker player.
  5. Claimed to be visiting professor for 3 universities - no evidence to support
  6. Claimed to be on TV program 7 up.
  7. Claimed pig heads, bullets, bananas were sent to his parent address. Did not report to police, take pictures or have any evidence to support this being true.
  8. Claimed twice on campus masked intruder threatened him including once with knife, no CCTV evidence to support and he did not raise the alarm and carried on working. Alarm system installed after first "attack" did not work...
  9. Claimed to install water pumps - again disproven.
  10. When journalists start asking questions police launch 4 month investigation into harassment and Carter Ruck tries to warn off journalist.

He was massively overpromoted, had very short stint at Glagow Uni, granted a phd with very flimsy body of work, then Durham briefly and finally Cambridge as professor. Was made guest presenter on R4 and appeared on Question Time as panellist plus held Olympic flame. Institutions falling over themselves to appear inclusive.

Sunnibee · 17/08/2026 14:43

I can see that reflection is not going to happen on this thread

Gloriia · 17/08/2026 14:45

Sunnibee · 17/08/2026 14:43

I can see that reflection is not going to happen on this thread

Reflection needs to happen in Cambridge uni's recruiting department and going by Lord Whoever from Cambridge 'it's a racist witchhunt' sermon I won't hold my breath.

CreativeGreen · 17/08/2026 14:50

Turns out the real racism in society is .... that which promotes unwitting Black academics to professorships against their will. Baffling.

I don't think any real reflection is going to happen now, though. Universities very much seem to be signed up the orthodoxy that it's tragic this endearingly flawed individual was hounded to his death due to racist media. If anything I think many institutions will be doubling down, and offering support to any BAME employees who are struggling in all this, not to mention any employees, coincidentally, finding the EHRC guidance traumatising.... plus ca change.

Sunnibee · 17/08/2026 15:56

Nameychangington · 17/08/2026 15:55

This might be helpful - a comparison of the standards required from.Cofnas to achieve his position and Arday to achieve his:

https://quillette.com/2026/08/14/institutional-failures-in-the-garden-of-great-intellects-cofnas-arday-cambridge/

Beyond awful take.

Nameychangington · 17/08/2026 16:03

CreativeGreen · 17/08/2026 14:50

Turns out the real racism in society is .... that which promotes unwitting Black academics to professorships against their will. Baffling.

I don't think any real reflection is going to happen now, though. Universities very much seem to be signed up the orthodoxy that it's tragic this endearingly flawed individual was hounded to his death due to racist media. If anything I think many institutions will be doubling down, and offering support to any BAME employees who are struggling in all this, not to mention any employees, coincidentally, finding the EHRC guidance traumatising.... plus ca change.

I happen to know (not telling how) that Cambridge's Education Faculty are sending some...unusual emails to staff and students, at varying hours of the day and night. One I saw said they wanted staff and students to know they love them. Another said they'd be reaching out personally to all the students of colour who would be particularly distressed about Jason Arday's death - presumably because either all black people like each other, or all black people agree this is all fuelled by racism.

So yes, you're right on the money.

Nameychangington · 17/08/2026 16:04

Sunnibee · 17/08/2026 15:56

Beyond awful take.

It'll be easy for you to refute it then