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Do you think that schools are okay?

429 replies

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 20:36

When I was in school, I remember absolutely hating school. I like learning. What I hated was the constant feeling of being in a prison, having no freedom. Having to sit for 7 hours a day and not speak. Having no say at all in most things. Constantly being controlled. I remember every morning, feeling dread when I woke up to go in.

I now actually work in a school in an admin position. Ive worked in lots of different companies. Now im in a school. I hear the teenagers say the same things all the time. They hate it, they feel like they are in prison, that it is awful, that they feel depressed every day, that all their young life is wasted. I also have to say, I definitely see school teachers abuse their power over the students. Not in a way that you could say is definitely abuse, but just in a way where you can see that they are really loving having power and control over the teenagers.

Do you think that schools are okay the way that they are? Teenagers don't have a lot of say in things or a lot of human rights, so it's adults that need to have the conversation about it.

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InOverMyHead84 · 08/08/2026 23:27

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 23:25

Establish my credibility! Are you actually for real. I couldn't care less if you think I work in a school or not. Now you want me to establish my credibility to you. Honestly you are absolutely unreal.

Prove to me that you work in a school then. Go on. It's important that you establish your credibility.

Tell me your exact job title and show me proof that you work in a school.

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I have been very open.

You are being evasive and confrontational.

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 23:28

InOverMyHead84 · 08/08/2026 23:27

I have been very open.

You are being evasive and confrontational.

What's your job title then. Show me proof that you work in a school. Establish your credibility.

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Happytaytos · 08/08/2026 23:28

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 23:25

Establish my credibility! Are you actually for real. I couldn't care less if you think I work in a school or not. Now you want me to establish my credibility to you. Honestly you are absolutely unreal.

Prove to me that you work in a school then. Go on. It's important that you establish your credibility.

Tell me your exact job title and show me proof that you work in a school.

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InOverMyHead84 · 08/08/2026 23:29

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 23:28

What's your job title then. Show me proof that you work in a school. Establish your credibility.

I am a Science Teacher and Deputy Head of Year. I have made previous reference to this while posting on here. I could link you to a Linkedin profile, but I am happy to respect privacy and not do that, whilst not expecting anyone else to do so.

Now you. Or, are you wishing to further attack rather then be open.

sunsettosunrise · 08/08/2026 23:31

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 23:27

Forcing a child to wear clothes that are too hot to wear in a heatwave, is actually abuse.

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I have experienced abuse and worn a blazer in a heatwave, wearing a blazer in a heatwave is a minor discomfort. Whereas, I left school wondering what mood my father was in, and if he was in a miserable mood I recieved physical punishment for petty things that could not even be characterised as misbehaviour.

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 23:31

boblady · 08/08/2026 23:12

I think your own school experience is affecting your judgement of modern day schools.

Maybe stick to your own admin lane.

'stick to your own admin lane'

One good thing that my school does well is: my school respects all of its staff. I've been asked to sit on school committees. I helped with our recent safeguarding campaign in the school. I have meetings with our safeguarding lead every week. I'm involved in a lot. Our school includes and respects all staff

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Morepositivemum · 08/08/2026 23:32

I think in an ideal world there’d be much smaller classes that are watched carefully to make sure eg quiet kids aren’t getting pulled down/ bullied, and are being heard, and that the school messers/ jokers/ louder kids and possibly even bullies are made to experience the feeling of someone having confidence in their work or something they do. And that all kids interact with each other in small groups with fun exercises to show them how similar they are so everyone has the potential to make friends. Teachers try to do this but it’s impossible with the numbers that are there

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 23:33

sunsettosunrise · 08/08/2026 23:31

I have experienced abuse and worn a blazer in a heatwave, wearing a blazer in a heatwave is a minor discomfort. Whereas, I left school wondering what mood my father was in, and if he was in a miserable mood I recieved physical punishment for petty things that could not even be characterised as misbehaviour.

News articles have written that children have fainted in the heat.

One lady on our cleaning team told me that her daughter got sick from the heat in her school this summer and she had to bring her home. This was due to the strict uniform rules.

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InOverMyHead84 · 08/08/2026 23:34

InOverMyHead84 · 08/08/2026 23:29

I am a Science Teacher and Deputy Head of Year. I have made previous reference to this while posting on here. I could link you to a Linkedin profile, but I am happy to respect privacy and not do that, whilst not expecting anyone else to do so.

Now you. Or, are you wishing to further attack rather then be open.

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Still waiting, OP.

MyDarlingRose · 08/08/2026 23:34

I never felt any of what you described. Didn’t feel particularly controlled and enjoyed school except for the classic friend drama etc. What would kids be doing if not at school? They’d still need to be in childcare or home educated. We can all say we don’t like our responsibilities like going to work…

UnintentionalArcher · 08/08/2026 23:35

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 22:55

Yes of course. But we also refer to different ages as children and teenagers - as a way to differentiate them.

A poster wrote to me that children in her school are not allowed to leave alone to go to the bathroom. Obviously young children are not allowed to go to the bathroom alone.I then wrote that the teenagers in my school are allowed to go to the bathroom alone.

Why are we still having this discussion over this point 20 posts later. It's been done.

Perhaps I wasn’t clear.

On the question of language, we sometimes refer to teenagers as teenagers and sometimes refer to them as children. Either way, they are children, legally, physically and emotionally. They’re at a different stage of childhood to younger children, but they are children and need certain boundaries.

You asked why we’re still ‘doing this’. Well, the point about teenagers being children matters in terms of the concerns you have and questions you’re asking. No, teenagers are not literally unable to go to the toilet alone, which you’ve mentioned in challenge to the rules in schools about toilet use. It is, however, challenging to run a school for hundreds/thousands of young people without some rules around toilet use.

Some teenagers, being children in adolescence, are not particularly mature and do not behave sensibly when they leave class to go to the toilet. Some engage in disruption, some in vandalism. Some engage in behaviours that harm themselves or others which, being children, requires a safeguarding rationale. Some just want to miss lessons or check their phones. Many do not do any of these things, but even so it simply isn’t practical to have large numbers of children (of any age) out of lessons in limited toilet facilities at once.

I’ve never worked in a school where the teacher doesn’t have some discretion about toilet usage even where there are whole-school rules. That’s not to say some schools don’t get it wrong, but as others have said these become newsworthy because they are the exception. I understand that toilet use is just one example you’ve given, but the media cases are usually the exceptions that prove the rule.

What I would say is that it’s often children who are out of lessons, have been picked up by pastoral or senior staff or who are ‘in trouble’ who will speak to admin staff to air their grievances. The vast majority of students will be polite to admin staff but are busy in lessons and with friends and have very little interaction with them on a day-to-day basis.

This is where the teenager part actually really matters - as it’s the most vulnerable teens, and those who are struggling the most, who crave interaction and attention from adults around them whom they perceive to be safe.
This is quite commonly staff they see as neutral - so not teachers, who they see as rule enforcers, but staff in the office or the canteen, for example.

These staff play a really important role in safeguarding as they will often pick up information, but they do get a fairly skewed picture at times as well. For example, the child waiting in reception who is about to be sent home for the third time that term and is talking to the receptionist won’t have the most balanced view of school. That said, they’re probably the child who most desperately needs the rules and boundaries that they’re complaining about.

That’s not to say that I don’t think there are issues with education - I do. I think there are many. I don’t think, however, that things are as bad or schools as draconian as you are suggesting.

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 23:35

InOverMyHead84 · 08/08/2026 23:29

I am a Science Teacher and Deputy Head of Year. I have made previous reference to this while posting on here. I could link you to a Linkedin profile, but I am happy to respect privacy and not do that, whilst not expecting anyone else to do so.

Now you. Or, are you wishing to further attack rather then be open.

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You didn't show me proof that you worked in a school though. So that could be an imaginary job made up by you, as much as you called my job imaginary.

I'm shocked that a 'deputy head of year' came up with the things you posted on here. Why didn't you just engage in discussion instead of insulting someone?

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sunsettosunrise · 08/08/2026 23:36

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 23:33

News articles have written that children have fainted in the heat.

One lady on our cleaning team told me that her daughter got sick from the heat in her school this summer and she had to bring her home. This was due to the strict uniform rules.

I am not saying wearing blazers in heat is right but do you really think that is comparable to growing up with an abusive household?

InOverMyHead84 · 08/08/2026 23:37

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 23:35

You didn't show me proof that you worked in a school though. So that could be an imaginary job made up by you, as much as you called my job imaginary.

I'm shocked that a 'deputy head of year' came up with the things you posted on here. Why didn't you just engage in discussion instead of insulting someone?

Not happy to be open then.

Just wanting to point fingers.

I am happy to back track and give you the benefit of the doubt, even though, as previously stated, I find your premise dubious.

So, again. What is your job title? As much for the sake of being interested in how other schools work and interact with their students, I am interested.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 08/08/2026 23:37

They can't wear clothes to suit the hot weather, while the teachers can. Not true. Teachers have a dress code. Imagine if a teacher rocked up to school in a skirt as short as some of the students do. We'd be hauled into the heads office on a disciplinary,

They can't use the bathroom when they want to. Neither can the teachers. Some days, with break duty, lunch time meetings and bus duty, I don't get to pee once the first bell has gone until all students leave at the end of the day.

They can't speak when they want to. They may think this but there is a time and a place. They get break times. Moving between classes. And most teachers don't insist on silence in the classroom. No, they can't shout/chat without working, but low level noise is almost always acceptable.

They get shouted at by some teachers. Probably. But those students that are actually shouted at (rather than talked to) are probably the ones causing extreme disruption (although I did work in an academy for a very short period that treated the students like prisoners - it was a hellish place).

They are constantly controlled Behaviour management. Normal, well behaved students don't need too much controlling. Throwing things, being rude to staff, not working etc, yup. School is preparation for working life. Asda employees don't swear at each other, lob stuff around the store or refuse to work.

I hated school. I'm a teacher now. I do understand how they feel but education is essential. There are many, many children in developing countries that would love the opportunity British children have. It just so happens that certain parts of the British population don't value education.

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 23:37

InOverMyHead84 · 08/08/2026 23:34

Still waiting, OP.

As I already wrote, I won't be giving my job title to someone who harassed me. I just asked you the same question that you asked me - to show you how ridiculous it sounds.You called me a fantasist, spouting nonsense and in an imaginary job. I don't want to engage with you. I;d rather engage with halfway normal posts.

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sunsettosunrise · 08/08/2026 23:38

OP, I am also still waiting for a response on me perferring to go to school than being physically abused my dad.

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 23:38

InOverMyHead84 · 08/08/2026 23:37

Not happy to be open then.

Just wanting to point fingers.

I am happy to back track and give you the benefit of the doubt, even though, as previously stated, I find your premise dubious.

So, again. What is your job title? As much for the sake of being interested in how other schools work and interact with their students, I am interested.

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Again , I'm not telling you. Do you understand the meaning of the word no.

It's basic consent.

You can ask someone to do something. They don't have to do it because you asked.

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Happytaytos · 08/08/2026 23:39

Let's pretend you're being genuine.

Have you ever asked the teachers in your school for their story when a child tells you they haven't been allowed to go to the toilet to manage a period?

InOverMyHead84 · 08/08/2026 23:40

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 23:38

Again , I'm not telling you. Do you understand the meaning of the word no.

It's basic consent.

You can ask someone to do something. They don't have to do it because you asked.

You must surely understand though that this makes it difficult to take you seriously. A job title is not your national insurance number, I have been open with you. You are not willing to extend that courtesy. I am happy to share more, I have worked as a Teacher in 4 schools in the south of England. Prior to that I worked in private industry until I was 35.

Rather then engaging in discussion, it is you who is now shutting down emotionally. A shame. But I am willing to discuss things sensibly with you if you are willing.

As previously stated, i'm happy to back track and withdraw my prior conclusion, if you are willing.

MyDarlingRose · 08/08/2026 23:43

@UnintentionalArcherthis is such a good point. I don’t think I ever spoke to our admin staff except occasionally to book onto the late bus. But I also rarely saw SLT or pastoral staff. Kids like me who thrived in school were in lessons or with friends 99% of the time.

ZeroMotivationWithTeens · 08/08/2026 23:44

I'm guessing receptionist? The only people that sit in an office at school that see students/children are reception staff or possibly first aider, but then quite often first aiders double up roles...so could still be receptionist...although im guessing you havent had the job long

ElleintheWoods · 08/08/2026 23:44

I feel like you work in/ attended a specific kind of school. Are these maybe schools that are not rated ‘very good/ excellent’?

Personally I really liked school, but for me school didn’t feel like that.

We were constantly encouraged to speak in class and discuss topics, we were always busy. A class that is teacher-led is effectively someone giving a presentation, or another student giving a presentation - it’s not really ok to be chatting while someone is presenting to you, is it? However most of our classes were interactive, and two-way conversations.

No uniform in my school, no control over your clothes is a bit of a bummer, I personally think school uniforms are completely unfit for purpose - nobody wears a suit and tie other than pupils, and it’s cheap, uncomfortable and frankly inappropriate clothing. If we want a school uniform it should be jeans and a jumper or similar, and not nasty pound shop polyester.

However I recently spoke at a not-very-good school and noticed that teachers tried to control the kids every move, eg when I tried to engage them, they got told off for speaking or getting involved too enthusiastically (which was normal in my school), and there seemed to be a lot of rules around how they can communicate, or what they must say in certain situations.

Let’s not pretend, the UK generally is very institutionalised, ie there are norms governing almost every situation from how to use public transport to how to do small talk, what foods to serve on certain days, etc, and there are even uniforms for many lifestyles (I work in fashion so the way we approach UK sales is very much in uniform silos, ie we know that almost all 19-yo girls or 35-yo women of a certain background will want a variation of x outfit), so school certainly exists to mould people in a certain way.

But most large collectives are institutionalised to a degree.

applejane11 · 08/08/2026 23:45

InOverMyHead84 · 08/08/2026 23:40

You must surely understand though that this makes it difficult to take you seriously. A job title is not your national insurance number, I have been open with you. You are not willing to extend that courtesy. I am happy to share more, I have worked as a Teacher in 4 schools in the south of England. Prior to that I worked in private industry until I was 35.

Rather then engaging in discussion, it is you who is now shutting down emotionally. A shame. But I am willing to discuss things sensibly with you if you are willing.

As previously stated, i'm happy to back track and withdraw my prior conclusion, if you are willing.

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you're missing the point. I don't like you and I don't want to write to you. I don't have to engage with you.

I want to engage with other posters on here who are able to have a normal discussion, without resorting to insults.

I don't want to write to someone like you who has hurled insults at me. Can you just leave me alone? I want to talk to other people. I really don't want to have anything to do with you.

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InOverMyHead84 · 08/08/2026 23:45

ZeroMotivationWithTeens · 08/08/2026 23:44

I'm guessing receptionist? The only people that sit in an office at school that see students/children are reception staff or possibly first aider, but then quite often first aiders double up roles...so could still be receptionist...although im guessing you havent had the job long

Very possible, and a role that doesn't see the 95% of children just getting on with it. So, a skewed view would be very logical.