Do you think that schools are okay?

[applejane11]

When I was in school, I remember absolutely hating school. I like learning. What I hated was the constant feeling of being in a prison, having no freedom. Having to sit for 7 hours a day and not speak. Having no say at all in most things. Constantly being controlled. I remember every morning, feeling dread when I woke up to go in.

I now actually work in a school in an admin position. Ive worked in lots of different companies. Now im in a school. I hear the teenagers say the same things all the time. They hate it, they feel like they are in prison, that it is awful, that they feel depressed every day, that all their young life is wasted. I also have to say, I definitely see school teachers abuse their power over the students. Not in a way that you could say is definitely abuse, but just in a way where you can see that they are really loving having power and control over the teenagers.

Do you think that schools are okay the way that they are? Teenagers don't have a lot of say in things or a lot of human rights, so it's adults that need to have the conversation about it.

Try harder about what?

So are you saying that all children in school are treated the same, no matter if they are 7 or 16?

Every age has different guidelines.

For the 10th time, this topic was brought up between me and another poster to clarify which age I am working with. I told her that I am not working with young children, I am working with teenagers.

You definitely don't work in a school with good safeguarding if you don't know that KCSIE applies to all under 18.

I loved school and don’t recognise anything in your OP. School is a great precursor to work. You need to be up, dressed on time and show up for 9am. Sometimes you need to shut up and get your head down but if you have the right attitude and make good friends, it’s a good laugh.

School was like that and my working life has been like that. Not allowed to talk? Fuckin ell, we all talked non stop in school, and when we couldn’t we would pass notes. Then we’d get home from school and ring each other and spend all night on the phone.

Calling someone a liar and telling them that their job is imaginary is abusive.

I hope that you don't talk to your students like that!

Isn't the more adult thing to do - is to enter a discussion with someone.

I think you need to get more safeguarding training from your safeguarding lead....hun

I don't drink alcohol. Do you? It's a strange thing to bring up out of nowhere.

So this person, inovermyhead84 who was banging on about safeguarding in her school, has now said that I'm in an imaginary job, and also out of nowhere asked me am I drinking alcohol?

Wow. Wow. Wow. You work in a school. You;re a good example of what I was talking about. We need change.

I stand here, and say this based on objective deconstruction of your posts and responses to points made.

You are a liar. You are a fantasist.

And you are playing us for your own amusement.

Lucky you that I am happy to play. You should be thanking me.

Again who said I don't know that. I didn't write that I don't know that.

You just eh ...made that up didn't you.

You're the one that called me a patronising fucker right? I don't really want to engage with that abusive level of posting. If you write to me again, I will ignore you

Just on the off chance anyone reading this is interested in the coursework point, dear Michael Gove got rid of controlled assessment in GCSEs during his reforms. The BTECs still have a mix but they are very heavily externally moderated now, unlike the older BTECs which were patchy in that regard. And they have exams to sit too.

A level sciences have a set of required practicals and we have an external moderator visit to check those, but they don't actually contribute to the student grade. As far as I know the other A levels we run are all terminal exams taken in yr13 too- there's no doing a bit in yr12 then doing the rest in yr13 either any more.

*So are you saying that all children in school are treated the same, no matter if they are 7 or 16?

Every age has different guidelines.*

Not when it comes to KCSIE they don't.

Read your thread hun if you want to know.

Your posts are nuts. Im honestly sad for the students in your school. I wish I could report you to your safeguarding lead. Would she like what you are doing?

It's easy for you to abuse people behind an anonymous website isn't it. If only your school knew what you are really like.

But you’ve just said they sit in silence. That is very rare. Also, regarding the points you’ve made about being allowed to go to the toilet, there would be a constant stream of children in and out of classrooms and some try to meet their friends and vape.

I already know. I'm including it in the post telling you I don't want to talk to you. If you harass me again - I will report you again.

Some of the worst, abusive people Ive seen on mumsnet are on here saying that they are working in schools.

You've really proved my point. Schools need to change

That's good to hear. My thoughts were outdated.

Generally I understand the OP - I think in some schools there's too much control by the sounds of it. My current experience is limited to.primary and they are very relaxed about uniform etc

Just to settle this one, the legal definition of a child is anyone under 18. Therefore are many reasons that that’s important, to ensure teenage children and younger children are all protected and safeguarded:

The legal definition of a child is any person under the age of 18, a minor, or a son or daughter in relation to a parent. This standard age limit is used by civil legislation, the UNCRC and the Children Act 1989.

I went to secondary in the 2010s, so it was fairly recently and I loved it. Engaging with my teachers, learning new things, spending the breaks with my mates, school sports and residentials. I liked the routine and the rigid nature of school suited me.

I had a difficult home life, and school was a real sanctury to me.

That's great that your school is relaxed about uniforms. It's been such a hot summer.

Honestly @applejane11 you sound more immature than my teens

Yes of course. But we also refer to different ages as children and teenagers - as a way to differentiate them.

A poster wrote to me that children in her school are not allowed to leave alone to go to the bathroom. Obviously young children are not allowed to go to the bathroom alone.I then wrote that the teenagers in my school are allowed to go to the bathroom alone.

Why are we still having this discussion over this point 20 posts later. It's been done.

100%. That was what I thought reading this thread.

You don't sound particularly mature yourself. Would you like to add anything to the discussion.

At least I didn't call anyone a patronising fucker.

Did you think that was mature for that poster to do that?

Hmmm I work in a school, and students constantly talk to me about their issues. I'm concerned about them.

I think that's the opposite of projecting actually.

Perhaps you should consider a different 'career' choice rather than being in an environment you so obviously hold in such contempt

I don't hold it in contempt. I'm listening to the students and I am trying to implement change.