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Lucy Letby

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kkloo · 22/07/2026 20:03

New thread as the last one has filled up.

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Firefly1987 · 24/07/2026 23:03

@MistressoftheDarkSide some were under her bed! Including ones for babies that died.

Please never apply for any kind of job involving law enforcement or psychological evaluation.

Well it's the police and prosecution who thought they were significant not just me...I don't mind these types of comments, they'll age like milk when you eventually realise how you were the one getting it all so very wrong.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/07/2026 23:07

Firefly1987 · 24/07/2026 23:03

@MistressoftheDarkSide some were under her bed! Including ones for babies that died.

Please never apply for any kind of job involving law enforcement or psychological evaluation.

Well it's the police and prosecution who thought they were significant not just me...I don't mind these types of comments, they'll age like milk when you eventually realise how you were the one getting it all so very wrong.

Me and dozens of properly qualified medical experts eh? Gosh, I will be in good company.

And there you go again, the smug implication that you know something nobody else does.....

Frequency · 24/07/2026 23:11

Firefly1987 · 24/07/2026 22:51

It's quite simple-they meant too much to her to get rid of.

So your argument is that this woman, an Einstein-level genius, who is able to create a murder method that defies science itself, didn't think to move her "trophies" to her gym locker/a random train station locker/a storage unit/a watertight container under the foundations of the shed...

She just left them, in carrier bags, scattered around the house for the police to find?

That makes sense in your brain?

Firefly1987 · 24/07/2026 23:23

MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/07/2026 23:07

Me and dozens of properly qualified medical experts eh? Gosh, I will be in good company.

And there you go again, the smug implication that you know something nobody else does.....

Yeah they'll look stupid too.

And there you go again, the smug implication that you know something nobody else does.....

It's not an implication, it's a reaction to people trying to pretend hoarding 250 handover sheets is in any way normal. I know as much as the rest of you, I'm just better at interpreting the mountains of evidence rather than shrugging it all off.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/07/2026 23:27

Firefly1987 · 24/07/2026 23:23

Yeah they'll look stupid too.

And there you go again, the smug implication that you know something nobody else does.....

It's not an implication, it's a reaction to people trying to pretend hoarding 250 handover sheets is in any way normal. I know as much as the rest of you, I'm just better at interpreting the mountains of evidence rather than shrugging it all off.

What. About. The. Medical. Evidence. ?

Frequency · 24/07/2026 23:29

Firefly1987 · 24/07/2026 23:23

Yeah they'll look stupid too.

And there you go again, the smug implication that you know something nobody else does.....

It's not an implication, it's a reaction to people trying to pretend hoarding 250 handover sheets is in any way normal. I know as much as the rest of you, I'm just better at interpreting the mountains of evidence rather than shrugging it all off.

Your interpretation lacks balance and logic, you twist evidence to fit your agenda. It is also lacking in working knowledge of the healthcare industry and standard practices within it. And it completely fails to address the most critical point, where is the medical evidence that any babies were deliberately harmed? Without that, the rest is just noise.

Firefly1987 · 24/07/2026 23:47

@Frequency SEVEN medical experts of all different disciplines saying this was deliberate harm. And ONE medical expert for the defence, who wasn't even called to dispute it!

Aluna · 24/07/2026 23:51

Firefly1987 · 24/07/2026 23:47

@Frequency SEVEN medical experts of all different disciplines saying this was deliberate harm. And ONE medical expert for the defence, who wasn't even called to dispute it!

That’s old news, the case has shifted far on from that. Have you even bothered to watch/read Shoo Lee’s panel?

Daygloboo · 24/07/2026 23:57

Frequency · 24/07/2026 23:11

So your argument is that this woman, an Einstein-level genius, who is able to create a murder method that defies science itself, didn't think to move her "trophies" to her gym locker/a random train station locker/a storage unit/a watertight container under the foundations of the shed...

She just left them, in carrier bags, scattered around the house for the police to find?

That makes sense in your brain?

Dont forget, some serial killers leave actual bodies buried in their own houses because they are so consumed by what they are doing, so it'a more than possible that notes could be left strewn around a killer's house.

Firefly1987 · Yesterday 00:02

Aluna · 24/07/2026 23:51

That’s old news, the case has shifted far on from that. Have you even bothered to watch/read Shoo Lee’s panel?

I'm sick of hearing about that man tbh. They were ripping the piss out of him the other day because he can't even describe the basics of blood pressure correctly.

Firefly1987 · Yesterday 00:03

Frequency · 24/07/2026 23:29

Your interpretation lacks balance and logic, you twist evidence to fit your agenda. It is also lacking in working knowledge of the healthcare industry and standard practices within it. And it completely fails to address the most critical point, where is the medical evidence that any babies were deliberately harmed? Without that, the rest is just noise.

Ok you're right and I'm wrong and I must have an agenda simply because I don't believe what you believe. Where do you sign me up to be a Shoo Lee disciple?

Daygloboo · Yesterday 00:10

Oftenaddled · 23/07/2026 16:55

It's worth bearing in mind that the notes she did have with indictment children's names weren't necessarily for the days these children deteriorated or died. And each page had several names. So over the years she worked - they start back in 2012 - she probably had the names of many, if not most, children admitted to the unit.

If she enacted some diabolical plot on what - close to 1,000 children - you'd really think someone might have noticed

Hoarding it all could be a part of the derangement. Not all of it has to relate to specific babies. It could just be a part of her overall framing.

UndertheCedartree · Yesterday 00:11

Firefly1987 · 24/07/2026 23:23

Yeah they'll look stupid too.

And there you go again, the smug implication that you know something nobody else does.....

It's not an implication, it's a reaction to people trying to pretend hoarding 250 handover sheets is in any way normal. I know as much as the rest of you, I'm just better at interpreting the mountains of evidence rather than shrugging it all off.

So she had to search through 250 handover sheets to find a particular spelling of a name? I don't find that very plausible.

Frequency · Yesterday 00:11

Firefly1987 · Yesterday 00:02

I'm sick of hearing about that man tbh. They were ripping the piss out of him the other day because he can't even describe the basics of blood pressure correctly.

Who is they? Medical professionals or r/LucyLetby? Find me a medical professional who hasn't been discredited who was "ripping the piss" out of the world's foremost neonatologist, and I will pay attention; until then, your statement is meaningless.

Daygloboo · Yesterday 00:14

MyrtleLion · 24/07/2026 14:07

Mark McDonald told Letby that if she agreed to have the experts look at the case notes, they might decide she was guilty. They were going to work through the cases and try and work out what happened. Letby readily agreed. That tells me she’s not a murderer. Why would a murderer risk neonatal experts uncovering her crimes?

But it would have looked bad for her if she 'd refused.

Firefly1987 · Yesterday 00:15

Daygloboo · Yesterday 00:10

Hoarding it all could be a part of the derangement. Not all of it has to relate to specific babies. It could just be a part of her overall framing.

True. I don't know why people are pretending it's normal. And I've never come across any plausible reason she had them. So there has to be a reason for it because that many did not just accidentally go home with her.

Firefly1987 · Yesterday 00:16

Frequency · Yesterday 00:11

Who is they? Medical professionals or r/LucyLetby? Find me a medical professional who hasn't been discredited who was "ripping the piss" out of the world's foremost neonatologist, and I will pay attention; until then, your statement is meaningless.

Anyone whose used a blood pressure machine knows this...

Aluna · Yesterday 00:21

Firefly1987 · Yesterday 00:02

I'm sick of hearing about that man tbh. They were ripping the piss out of him the other day because he can't even describe the basics of blood pressure correctly.

Who’s they - the rest of Tattle?

Failing to engage with the developments of the case leaves your contribution at a basic level.

Oftenaddled · Yesterday 00:32

Daygloboo · Yesterday 00:10

Hoarding it all could be a part of the derangement. Not all of it has to relate to specific babies. It could just be a part of her overall framing.

Anything's possible, but I don't see how that frames murder in particular, really

Oftenaddled · Yesterday 00:33

Daygloboo · Yesterday 00:14

But it would have looked bad for her if she 'd refused.

It would have looked worse if the experts had found evidence of harm or murder, though

Daygloboo · Yesterday 00:34

Frequency · 24/07/2026 18:06

Yes, one would hope that she was hovering around the babies on her rota, given that it was her job to monitor them.

We also need to remember that anything reported by the parents after the arrest is remembered through the lens of Letby being a convicted murderer. It is confirmation bias and cannot be relied upon to be a factual and balanced account of what actually happened.

It's telling that no one reported any serious concerns at the time she was working, and Letby was, by all accounts, well-liked by parents and nursing colleagues.

I'm sure I read something about some parents feeling she was over-involved AT THE TIME rather than with hindsight.

Daygloboo · Yesterday 00:44

Firefly1987 · Yesterday 00:15

True. I don't know why people are pretending it's normal. And I've never come across any plausible reason she had them. So there has to be a reason for it because that many did not just accidentally go home with her.

The more I read about the notes, the weirder it sounds. I'm now starting to think...you know what....ALL those notes,....that really isnt normal. A few notes from your pockets...sure...bagfuls going back years....no, that's something else. It's weird. It's almost like being compelled to furnish your house with the interior of the hospital.

kkloo · Yesterday 00:54

Daygloboo · Yesterday 00:44

The more I read about the notes, the weirder it sounds. I'm now starting to think...you know what....ALL those notes,....that really isnt normal. A few notes from your pockets...sure...bagfuls going back years....no, that's something else. It's weird. It's almost like being compelled to furnish your house with the interior of the hospital.

Have you read more about all of the issues at the hospital? When I listed some of it you said you hadn't heard of any of it.

Notes, handover sheets etc, completely pale in comparison to the evidence that this hospital was a shitshow.

It seems like you're doing exactly what the police did and completely ignoring all of that and refusing to even go down that route and instead thinking 'does this asterisk mean something?'.

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Daygloboo · Yesterday 01:10

kkloo · Yesterday 00:54

Have you read more about all of the issues at the hospital? When I listed some of it you said you hadn't heard of any of it.

Notes, handover sheets etc, completely pale in comparison to the evidence that this hospital was a shitshow.

It seems like you're doing exactly what the police did and completely ignoring all of that and refusing to even go down that route and instead thinking 'does this asterisk mean something?'.

No, I've been back and forth throughout the discussion...one minute persuaded by one person's argument, the next by the opposite...because none of us knows, do we, let's face it. BUT. The one thing that is starting to seem genuinely odd to me now is the notes....as Ive found out there were bags full of them. There is imo something very odd about that. You're not just a paper hoarder if you do that. Bags of notes under the bed ? Really ? If you are engaged in the act of transferring them to a bag then you must be keeping them for something otherwise why not shred them. They went back years apparently. What. You never do any spring cleaning for literally years?

Oftenaddled · Yesterday 01:11

Daygloboo · Yesterday 01:10

No, I've been back and forth throughout the discussion...one minute persuaded by one person's argument, the next by the opposite...because none of us knows, do we, let's face it. BUT. The one thing that is starting to seem genuinely odd to me now is the notes....as Ive found out there were bags full of them. There is imo something very odd about that. You're not just a paper hoarder if you do that. Bags of notes under the bed ? Really ? If you are engaged in the act of transferring them to a bag then you must be keeping them for something otherwise why not shred them. They went back years apparently. What. You never do any spring cleaning for literally years?

Isn't that the definition of hoarding - keeping piles of stuff?

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