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Lucy Letby

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kkloo · 22/07/2026 20:03

New thread as the last one has filled up.

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rubbishatballet · 24/07/2026 06:02

kkloo · 24/07/2026 02:08

Were these not emergency reports just in relation to why they needed to delay the trial?
She had moved prisons and I believe had been left without her medication for a few days which had a serious effect on her.

No, the discussion on the first day was about getting an emergency assessment because of the situation you’ve described, but they were trying to get hold of Prof Ireland to come and do it because she had previously done the full psychological reports so already knew LL.

BEAchDays2 · 24/07/2026 07:08

For the people talking about how odd it was for her to take Home paperwork, what reason do you think she would have for taking Home the paperwork if you think it was indication of her guilt? Like what possible reason would she do that, that could lead to the fact that she was guilty if that makes sense?

DistantEarlyWarning · 24/07/2026 07:59

BEAchDays2 · 24/07/2026 07:08

For the people talking about how odd it was for her to take Home paperwork, what reason do you think she would have for taking Home the paperwork if you think it was indication of her guilt? Like what possible reason would she do that, that could lead to the fact that she was guilty if that makes sense?

I think the idea is that they were trophies of some kind. The facts that most of them were jumbled in carrier bags, the five neatly filed ones didn’t all relate to indictment babies, and not all of the indictment babies featured in the sheets found casts some shade on that theory.

Also, the fact they were shift handover sheets pertaining to all the babies on the ward on that day, and none was particular to a specific baby, seems to have been glossed over.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 24/07/2026 08:59

Does it strike you as odd that only Dr Evans made the air in stomach ‘diagnosis’ and has not been able to properly explain his diagnostic criteria? The way he talked about it sounded like a hunch rather than a verifiable diagnosis.

In the account Dr Dewi Evans gives of the work he did for the police and prosecution cases against Lucy Letby, he says he suspected “foul play” within 10 minutes of reading the first medical records of a baby that he saw.
Evans, then 67, a retired consultant paediatrician, says when he looked at postmortem photos of that first baby he saw bleeding over the liver. “I thought, ‘Oh my God. This baby has suffered trauma.’ We knew instantly that something suspicious had gone on.”

So he made up his mind there was ‘foul play’ in the first 10 minutes and got quite a well paying high profile job that he seemed to relish the idea of as a result. The actual evidence that the liver damage was most likely caused by the traumatic birth rather than an attack by a nurse during the following 48 hours was ignored and he used a faulty interpretation of Dr Lee’s study to make the diagnosis of air being injected into the stomach

“Dr Evans said the rash observed was a signal the boy had been injected with air” (from the BBC report linked earlier)

Cheshire police were impressed, agreed fees, then supplied Evans with the medical records for all babies whose collapses at the Countess of Chester hospital they were investigating.

He was supplied with the medical records and dismissed them even though they related to the births in some cases only 48 hours previously and by his own admission he assumed that the babies were in good condition despite them being poorly enough to be on a neo natal unit having had a traumatic or very premature birth. He was then instrumental in refusing these records to the defence.

Asked by the Guardian to explain how he diagnosed air embolism when none of these experts did, from the same medical notes, Evans said he had done so independently.
“Well without being too blase about it, it’s only difficult if you don’t know the answer, OK. Once you know, you know … It’s not very good asking me why I diagnosed air embolus. I think you should be asking other people why didn’t they make the diagnosis.”
He explained that he identified it due to rashes, air observed in some postmortems – although bodies produce air after death – and by excluding other medical causes. But he also acknowledged that air embolism is very difficult to prove: “Trouble is you don’t get evidence: air embolus doesn’t leave any marks, you see.”

So he can’t explain his diagnosis, has clearly used Lee’s standards which he has misunderstood but then minimises the weight he gave them in the diagnosis while listing his other criteria which seem quite spurious. None of the other medical experts have looked at the notes he saw and made the same diagnosis and he verifiably got at least one wrong and then changed his story because LL wasn’t even there.

It seems that he and the CPS ignored the saying “when you hear hoofbeats, look for horses not zebras”

All the other globally renowned unpaid doctors reviewing the same notes that Evans did can see horses.

With his extremely ambitious account that involves knitting together the rarest of rare events with the shift pattern of a nurse who worked many shifts, ignoring other known and significant medical factors and changing his account when basic facts like timing and her not even being there are demonstrated, Evans seems to be seeing zebras.

He had a professional interest in getting this conviction - from his interviews, he saw this as ‘winning the case’, not giving neutral and objective medical evidence based on the facts which is the job of the medical expert. He comes across like a maverick tv detective who boldly goes against all the boring old opinions of other better qualified doctors with his ‘brilliant’ leftfield diagnosis and now his professional legacy is dependent on her being guilty. It comes across like he decided that it was definitely murder straightaway and settled on her guilt as soon as he managed to cobble together an outline narrative. Inconvenient facts appear to have been retconned to fit this.

We need to ask a) why they refused to show medical birth/maternity records to the defence, even though there was a gap as small as 48 hours between birth and death and b) why does every other medical expert who has looked at the notes disagree with him. They have no skin in this game, no pay, no future lucrative gigs as expert witnesses. Why?

Lucy Letby | The Guardian

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/lucy-letby

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 24/07/2026 09:03

Firefly1987 · 23/07/2026 23:44

The odds of one woman causing all of that through deliberate harm are significantly more likely than them all happening naturally in isolation.

There are also odds that they were ‘diagnosed’ by a man with a mission to ‘win’ the case and a disregard for inconvenient facts and birth records.

No other medical expert agrees with his diagnosis.

Frequency · 24/07/2026 09:06

DistantEarlyWarning · 24/07/2026 07:59

I think the idea is that they were trophies of some kind. The facts that most of them were jumbled in carrier bags, the five neatly filed ones didn’t all relate to indictment babies, and not all of the indictment babies featured in the sheets found casts some shade on that theory.

Also, the fact they were shift handover sheets pertaining to all the babies on the ward on that day, and none was particular to a specific baby, seems to have been glossed over.

Handover sheets work differently on different wards/units/care homes as there's no standardised form/sheet that is used, but they are generally informal, handwritten notes passed from one shift lead to the next.

When I worked in care, we used ours to highlight info that wouldn't be included on care plans or needed extra care to be taken. Individual resident handover sheets were more formal, included more PII, but would generally stay with the resident's notes, not be handed between staff members.

Our shift handover sheets would include things like "Jean's daughter's wedding 11 am today. Daughter wants Jean to wear the red dress hung on the wardrobe door. Son picking up at 10:30 am. Betty's morning call to be swapped with Jean's - Jean has requested Kirsty take her morning call so she can have her hair blow-dried.

Bob is naked again. Crisis team aware and unable to help. Please contact GP for meds review.

GEORGE MEDS CHANGED - double-check med sheet before handing out. Check with RN if unsure.

CLAIRE IS VISITING ALICE AT 12. RUN AND HIDE!!!! Also, please report to management if Claire is abusive to staff again."

DistantEarlyWarning · 24/07/2026 09:34

Frequency · 24/07/2026 09:06

Handover sheets work differently on different wards/units/care homes as there's no standardised form/sheet that is used, but they are generally informal, handwritten notes passed from one shift lead to the next.

When I worked in care, we used ours to highlight info that wouldn't be included on care plans or needed extra care to be taken. Individual resident handover sheets were more formal, included more PII, but would generally stay with the resident's notes, not be handed between staff members.

Our shift handover sheets would include things like "Jean's daughter's wedding 11 am today. Daughter wants Jean to wear the red dress hung on the wardrobe door. Son picking up at 10:30 am. Betty's morning call to be swapped with Jean's - Jean has requested Kirsty take her morning call so she can have her hair blow-dried.

Bob is naked again. Crisis team aware and unable to help. Please contact GP for meds review.

GEORGE MEDS CHANGED - double-check med sheet before handing out. Check with RN if unsure.

CLAIRE IS VISITING ALICE AT 12. RUN AND HIDE!!!! Also, please report to management if Claire is abusive to staff again."

Yes exactly. The handover sheets I took home almost half a century ago said things like:

  1. Alice. T2 ampt Lft 2/7 2h obs.
  2. Joan. #NOF.
in my handwriting, amended throughout the shift.

The most recent handover sheets I saw (this year, when my dad was in hospital) were printed tables containing bed number and patient identifiers with printed handover notes from the previous shift, with handwritten notes from this shift. They were being kept folded in the nurses’ pockets during the shift.

Frequency · 24/07/2026 09:42

@DistantEarlyWarning There are PDFs for handover templates you can download and print for free online. When I worked in IT for the NHS, I was asked by some wards to help them print these, although in our Trust they were not officially supported documents and varied from ward to ward.

I personally prefer the old way. I don't need someone's room number/medical conditions to be highlighted on the handover sheet. I already know that, and it should be included in individual patient/resident notes and kept with the patient, not carted about in people's pockets to be accidentally left in the canteen on their break.

rubbishatballet · 24/07/2026 10:04

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 24/07/2026 09:03

There are also odds that they were ‘diagnosed’ by a man with a mission to ‘win’ the case and a disregard for inconvenient facts and birth records.

No other medical expert agrees with his diagnosis.

There were seven medical expert witnesses for the prosecution, other than Dewi Evans, and I am not aware there was any major disagreement on any of his diagnoses.

DistantEarlyWarning · 24/07/2026 10:11

Frequency · 24/07/2026 09:42

@DistantEarlyWarning There are PDFs for handover templates you can download and print for free online. When I worked in IT for the NHS, I was asked by some wards to help them print these, although in our Trust they were not officially supported documents and varied from ward to ward.

I personally prefer the old way. I don't need someone's room number/medical conditions to be highlighted on the handover sheet. I already know that, and it should be included in individual patient/resident notes and kept with the patient, not carted about in people's pockets to be accidentally left in the canteen on their break.

I don’t disagree! But the reality is different.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/07/2026 10:19

rubbishatballet · 24/07/2026 10:04

There were seven medical expert witnesses for the prosecution, other than Dewi Evans, and I am not aware there was any major disagreement on any of his diagnoses.

Thing is, did they look at all the cases blind and come to their own same independent conclusions? Or did Dewi present his theories alongside? Groupthink is a danger. As is hero complex. This is why all unexplained deaths / collapses for the period needed review with zero reference to Lucy Letby. If all these experts were truly working scientifically and in an unbiased fashion, I find it hard to believe not one went "hang on, splinting of the diaphragm due to air down an NG tube? Never even heard of that.... ," and then gone off to look at available research literature. And then bolstered the case with it.

Any email starting with "please review these cases of poor murdered babies by a psychopathic nurse" renders the process null and void IMHO.

And why those experts? Especially in the light of multiple complaints about Sandy Bohin revealed down the line? And the fact that one judge ignored the warnings of another in terms of Evans credibility? As for Marnerides "something something in a desert something..." make it make sense!!

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 24/07/2026 10:20

rubbishatballet · 24/07/2026 10:04

There were seven medical expert witnesses for the prosecution, other than Dewi Evans, and I am not aware there was any major disagreement on any of his diagnoses.

I’m not sure that they were asked to cover the same areas of evidence. I haven’t gone through all the testimony but I don’t think they keep asking the same question of different experts in the hope of obtaining the same answers.

Peter Hindmarsh for example, concentrated on the claims of insulin poisoning (that I think have been subsequently discredited). He also ‘forgot’ to mention that he was under investigation himself for harm of patients. He subsequently removed himself from the GMC register.

A key prosecution witness in the murder trial of the nurse Lucy Letby did not reveal that he was under investigation by his employers until after he had given evidence, it has emerged.
Peter Hindmarsh, a leading expert on paediatric endocrinology, first gave evidence in November 2022. He contended that Letby had attempted to murder two babies by injecting insulin into their fluid bags.
The Guardian—which has seen leaked documents about the investigation—wrote that “in the period leading up to the trial University College London Hospitals NHS Trust (UCLH), Hindmarsh’s main employer, was leading a formal investigation, with involvement from Great Ormond Street Hospital, into multiple, wide-ranging, serious concerns, including allegations that Hindmarsh harmed patients.”12

https://www.bmj.com/content/392/bmj.s561

From reading some more collated information on this document it seems that other memorial witnesses were not particularly independent, following the lead of Dewi Evans as opposed to forming their own independent opinions. There’s a big difference.

www.astro.ljmu.ac.uk/~ikb/LL/Letby-Briefing-Paper.pdf

Oftenaddled · 24/07/2026 10:37

rubbishatballet · 24/07/2026 10:04

There were seven medical expert witnesses for the prosecution, other than Dewi Evans, and I am not aware there was any major disagreement on any of his diagnoses.

The other experts were given Evans's notes to work from. Most were not asked to comment on his bizarre mechanisms for the deaths. Bohin is the chief exception there. Kenny, for example, was asked whether a particular condition might have affected child G, and gave written evidence that it didn't. That is not endorsing any of Evans's fantasies and is not something anyone contested, prosecution or defence.

Marnerides certainly said that he relied on Evans's reports alongside the images he examined. He did not look at that clinical notes. He used Evans's reports instead. That's how he shared Evans's error on the timing of Baby C's X-ray, the one taken before Lucy Letby had returned from her holiday where both Evans and Marnerides saw evidence of attempted murder.

Hindmarsh, who worked on the insulin cases, was an expert in that field where Evans was not. His evidence has its own problems: he withheld information about alternative causes, guessed at calculations on flow and stickiness instead of using engineering principles, and proposed what looks like an impossible mechanism for poisoning. But he wasn't agreeing with Evans, except in the broader, murder on the ward case.

Arthurs agreed that various post-mortem radiological signs were consistent with air embolism. Any expert would presumably have done so: post-mortem air is common in neonates who have undergone CPR and could also appear in the much much rarer case of air embolism inflicted before death. Arthurs, in other words, "stayed in his lane" as an expert and commented on what could be known from his expertise. This is not supporting Evans's mechanisms - it's observing that the radiological evidence doesn't rule out Evans's hypothesis.

Kinsey agreed that Dr Jayaram's description of rashes matched Lee's description. (Jayaram's descriptions of course only appeared after he had read Lee's description). She agreed that there was little evidence to work with on air embolism. Her main role, and that of the remaining witnesses, was to exclude a small number of specific conditions that might have contributed to natural deaths.

The other experts contributions were brief and they were not asked to evaluate Evans's reports or theories.

Bohin and Evans do contradict one another at several points, just as each contradicts their own expert tendency on several points. Both fired several possible causes of death in, in several cases. Neither was willing to admit error on the stand - this is the essential quality in an expert witness because the error isn't evidence unless you admit it. If they did admit an error, they proclaimed that it didn't matter.

But what is clear is that Bohin, after reading Evans's reports, which she did before scrutinising clinical notes, accepted his mechanisms for clinical harm, air embolism diagnosed as he did it, death by air in the stomach. Respectfully, having read her interviews and the transcripts available, I would say that she is not comfortable with research methods and is not a logical thinker. It seems unlikely she would have come up with such unknown phenomenona independently of Evans, but because the prosecution managed the review process so badly, we can never know.

rubbishatballet · 24/07/2026 10:47

MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/07/2026 10:19

Thing is, did they look at all the cases blind and come to their own same independent conclusions? Or did Dewi present his theories alongside? Groupthink is a danger. As is hero complex. This is why all unexplained deaths / collapses for the period needed review with zero reference to Lucy Letby. If all these experts were truly working scientifically and in an unbiased fashion, I find it hard to believe not one went "hang on, splinting of the diaphragm due to air down an NG tube? Never even heard of that.... ," and then gone off to look at available research literature. And then bolstered the case with it.

Any email starting with "please review these cases of poor murdered babies by a psychopathic nurse" renders the process null and void IMHO.

And why those experts? Especially in the light of multiple complaints about Sandy Bohin revealed down the line? And the fact that one judge ignored the warnings of another in terms of Evans credibility? As for Marnerides "something something in a desert something..." make it make sense!!

The poster I was replying to had said “no other medical experts agree with his diagnosis” so I was just pointing out that isn’t correct.

And whilst I’m fairly certain this never actually happened (or if you think it did, source please):
Any email starting with "please review these cases of poor murdered babies by a psychopathic nurse" renders the process null and void IMHO.
I wonder if you take a similarly robust view on the process integrity of Shoo Lee’s opening email to global experts which said “I am only doing this because I think there might be a miscarriage of justice…We might be her last hope”?

Oftenaddled · 24/07/2026 10:49

You can read a lot of the expert witness testimony, examination and cross-examination, here

https://lucyletbyinnocence.com/transcripts.html

I think it is good that the transcripts are out there. They show the standard of evidence and argument for anyone who reads them to judge.

Not up there yet but new on reddit: Evans on Baby O, the child Philip Bennett was discussing on Radio 4. Speaks for itself.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LucyLetbyTrials/comments/1v4124h/direct_examination_of_dr_dewi_evans_regarding/

https://www.reddit.com/r/LucyLetbyTrials/s/f76uj9dEk2

Lucy Letby Trial Transcripts

Lucy Letby Trial - transcripts

https://lucyletbyinnocence.com/transcripts.html

rubbishatballet · 24/07/2026 10:51

Oftenaddled · 24/07/2026 10:37

The other experts were given Evans's notes to work from. Most were not asked to comment on his bizarre mechanisms for the deaths. Bohin is the chief exception there. Kenny, for example, was asked whether a particular condition might have affected child G, and gave written evidence that it didn't. That is not endorsing any of Evans's fantasies and is not something anyone contested, prosecution or defence.

Marnerides certainly said that he relied on Evans's reports alongside the images he examined. He did not look at that clinical notes. He used Evans's reports instead. That's how he shared Evans's error on the timing of Baby C's X-ray, the one taken before Lucy Letby had returned from her holiday where both Evans and Marnerides saw evidence of attempted murder.

Hindmarsh, who worked on the insulin cases, was an expert in that field where Evans was not. His evidence has its own problems: he withheld information about alternative causes, guessed at calculations on flow and stickiness instead of using engineering principles, and proposed what looks like an impossible mechanism for poisoning. But he wasn't agreeing with Evans, except in the broader, murder on the ward case.

Arthurs agreed that various post-mortem radiological signs were consistent with air embolism. Any expert would presumably have done so: post-mortem air is common in neonates who have undergone CPR and could also appear in the much much rarer case of air embolism inflicted before death. Arthurs, in other words, "stayed in his lane" as an expert and commented on what could be known from his expertise. This is not supporting Evans's mechanisms - it's observing that the radiological evidence doesn't rule out Evans's hypothesis.

Kinsey agreed that Dr Jayaram's description of rashes matched Lee's description. (Jayaram's descriptions of course only appeared after he had read Lee's description). She agreed that there was little evidence to work with on air embolism. Her main role, and that of the remaining witnesses, was to exclude a small number of specific conditions that might have contributed to natural deaths.

The other experts contributions were brief and they were not asked to evaluate Evans's reports or theories.

Bohin and Evans do contradict one another at several points, just as each contradicts their own expert tendency on several points. Both fired several possible causes of death in, in several cases. Neither was willing to admit error on the stand - this is the essential quality in an expert witness because the error isn't evidence unless you admit it. If they did admit an error, they proclaimed that it didn't matter.

But what is clear is that Bohin, after reading Evans's reports, which she did before scrutinising clinical notes, accepted his mechanisms for clinical harm, air embolism diagnosed as he did it, death by air in the stomach. Respectfully, having read her interviews and the transcripts available, I would say that she is not comfortable with research methods and is not a logical thinker. It seems unlikely she would have come up with such unknown phenomenona independently of Evans, but because the prosecution managed the review process so badly, we can never know.

Edited

So like I said, it’s not the case that “no other medical expert agrees with his diagnosis”.

Oftenaddled · 24/07/2026 10:55

rubbishatballet · 24/07/2026 10:47

The poster I was replying to had said “no other medical experts agree with his diagnosis” so I was just pointing out that isn’t correct.

And whilst I’m fairly certain this never actually happened (or if you think it did, source please):
Any email starting with "please review these cases of poor murdered babies by a psychopathic nurse" renders the process null and void IMHO.
I wonder if you take a similarly robust view on the process integrity of Shoo Lee’s opening email to global experts which said “I am only doing this because I think there might be a miscarriage of justice…We might be her last hope”?

Lee's letter is hypothetical (and we have never seen it in full). There would have been no way to assemble his panel without stating that Lucy Letby might be innocent. Why else would anyone review her case, at that point? In the same way, there was no way to avoid the prosecution witnesses knowing there was a potential crime. They were working with the police.

What Lee didn't do was send his own medical case reports around the experts and have them read them before, or instead of, the clinical notes. But Evans's notes, describing murder, were sent to the prosecution witnesses. Lee's panel worked on a scheme of double blind review - the gold standard. The police inquiry cut corners and used a method that wouldn't be approved in judging a PhD thesis - but is somehow fine for a murder case.

Oftenaddled · 24/07/2026 10:59

rubbishatballet · 24/07/2026 10:51

So like I said, it’s not the case that “no other medical expert agrees with his diagnosis”.

It is indeed the case that one other expert, Dr Bohin, supported Evans's findings in many (not all) cases, before he changed his mind on half of them. Evans and Marnerides actually ended up at variance on key points but I am sure they agreed on others. I think people will be able to judge for themselves what the support of these experts, in this context, was worth.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/07/2026 11:11

rubbishatballet · 24/07/2026 10:47

The poster I was replying to had said “no other medical experts agree with his diagnosis” so I was just pointing out that isn’t correct.

And whilst I’m fairly certain this never actually happened (or if you think it did, source please):
Any email starting with "please review these cases of poor murdered babies by a psychopathic nurse" renders the process null and void IMHO.
I wonder if you take a similarly robust view on the process integrity of Shoo Lee’s opening email to global experts which said “I am only doing this because I think there might be a miscarriage of justice…We might be her last hope”?

Fair enough, my flippancy has landed badly. It would very much help if all communication between the experts / pilice etc was disclosed to prove, or not that I do them a cynical disservice.

As for Shoo Lee, coming in after the fact, he is stating his motivation transparently. He also undertook the review on the understanding his examination and findings would be presented impartially whether in Lucy Letbys interests or not, which she and her legal team knew and accepted. There was a huge risk that they might have come back against her. The difference in approach was that Shoo Lee et al looked at every part of this big picture situation in detail, instead of waving away the systemic issues, staffing levels, infection risks etc as the original experts were wont to do.

I don't see how this could have been approached blindly in the retrospective circumstances.

The problem I have is that based on the consultants "feels" and Lucy Letbys presence, Dewi Evans was allowed free reign to interpret things as murder which do have alternative explanations. Which brings me back around to the original pathologists who have pretty much been erased from the whole affair. Why were they never called to court? How could they miss the obvious signs of murder that Evans spotted in ten minutes of scanning what we now know to be incomplete notes void of comprehensive obstetric history? Is there now a danger that every baby who dies unexpectedly in a hospital is going to be considered a murder victim on the basis of this case and "lessins learned"? You have to wonder.

kkloo · 24/07/2026 11:58

rubbishatballet · 24/07/2026 06:02

No, the discussion on the first day was about getting an emergency assessment because of the situation you’ve described, but they were trying to get hold of Prof Ireland to come and do it because she had previously done the full psychological reports so already knew LL.

Would you happen to know where I could find this information? I did try to search last night but all I could find was a reddit post linking to a cropped section of a transcript and I wanted to read the whole thing.

OP posts:
Frequency · 24/07/2026 12:09

Oftenaddled · 24/07/2026 10:59

It is indeed the case that one other expert, Dr Bohin, supported Evans's findings in many (not all) cases, before he changed his mind on half of them. Evans and Marnerides actually ended up at variance on key points but I am sure they agreed on others. I think people will be able to judge for themselves what the support of these experts, in this context, was worth.

Bohin has numerous complaints lodged against her for misdiagnosis and blocking referrals.

https://www.bailiwickexpress.com/news-ge/guernsey-families-publicly-cast-doubt-over-key-expert-witness-in-letby-prosecution/

I think it is safe to say she's not exactly the brightest button in the box when it comes to medical expertise. Passing an exam does not make one a good or competent medic.

Hindmarsh seems to be the only one who worked independently. Has he spoken out at all since Chase and Shannon published their paper? I'd be interested to see if he has changed his mind at all since the new research became available.

Guernsey families publicly cast doubt over key expert witness in Letby prosecution - Bailiwick Express News Guernsey

Members of two local families have publicly raised their concerns about consultant paediatrician and expert witness Dr Sandie Bohin, whose testimony was used to prosecute Lucy Letby. They spoke at a conference focused on the convicted murderer’s case a...

https://www.bailiwickexpress.com/news-ge/guernsey-families-publicly-cast-doubt-over-key-expert-witness-in-letby-prosecution/

NoTimeForThisShit · 24/07/2026 13:07

“Micheal Jackson, on the other hand, who was a black man, and a bit odd looking, is guilty as sin, despite not having ever been convicted.“

Micheal Jackson, on the other hand… was a very influential and well connected multimillionaire and a world’ s biggest artist with an army of fans.
Here, corrected it for you.

Re “despite not having ever been convicted”, have you heard of Jimmy Saville?

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 24/07/2026 13:21

rubbishatballet · 24/07/2026 10:47

The poster I was replying to had said “no other medical experts agree with his diagnosis” so I was just pointing out that isn’t correct.

And whilst I’m fairly certain this never actually happened (or if you think it did, source please):
Any email starting with "please review these cases of poor murdered babies by a psychopathic nurse" renders the process null and void IMHO.
I wonder if you take a similarly robust view on the process integrity of Shoo Lee’s opening email to global experts which said “I am only doing this because I think there might be a miscarriage of justice…We might be her last hope”?

The poster I was replying to had said “no other medical experts agree with his diagnosis” so I was just pointing out that isn’t correct.

Did any of them say that they agreed with the entirety of his theories or did they just not disagree or maybe were not asked questions that gave them opportunity to agree/disagree?

These are very different things.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 24/07/2026 13:28

rubbishatballet · 24/07/2026 10:47

The poster I was replying to had said “no other medical experts agree with his diagnosis” so I was just pointing out that isn’t correct.

And whilst I’m fairly certain this never actually happened (or if you think it did, source please):
Any email starting with "please review these cases of poor murdered babies by a psychopathic nurse" renders the process null and void IMHO.
I wonder if you take a similarly robust view on the process integrity of Shoo Lee’s opening email to global experts which said “I am only doing this because I think there might be a miscarriage of justice…We might be her last hope”?

There’s a big difference between being a paid medical expert in the original trial, who the judge and jury relies upon to give objective and accurate evidence and who should not to seek to influence other medical experts in their opinions and being an extremely senior doctor with mainly an academic interest (as he believed his work was misused) seeking help for what he then perceives to be a miscarriage of justice.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 24/07/2026 13:33

rubbishatballet · 24/07/2026 10:51

So like I said, it’s not the case that “no other medical expert agrees with his diagnosis”.

I’m not sure that ‘medical expert’ who reads the conclusions of the lead doctor before even reviewing the medical notes and trying to make up her own mind really counts as ‘agreeing’.

That’s more ‘accepting without question’, (or swallowing hook, line and sinker) which is not at all helpful if you are a ‘medical expert’ being asked to give your own informed opinion as evidence.

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