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To feel utterly miserable about a future with Andy Burnham as PM?

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OneWarmHazelQuail · Today 01:23

I feel like I'm being stung in every possible way at the moment- £15 a day on tube to work, high mortgage costs, high energy costs, private schooling for SEN child (I was told state wouldn't be unlikely to assist him as he isn't mute or violent). My parents have had to help fund schooling it felt like my only hope as son has behavioural issues.

I also have an unsold old home that I have to rent out as it wouldn't sell. Buy-to-let mortgage costs, agent fees, maintenance and tax put me in a loss position.

I can't bear what the future holds with Andy Burnham. I have no doubt that he will find new and imaginative ways to keep me in this financial nightmare. I'm literally struggling from food poverty but regarded as rich by policy.

YABU- Andy Burnham is actually going to make things better

YANBU- I'm screwed

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BlueRedCat · Today 08:06

MintSnail · Today 08:02

If he tries to make CGT the same as income tax that will hopefully trigger an election as he has no mandate to do that and it will kill all enterprise/ possible job creation. That or he may have to square up to Putin not the decks in a nightclub.

Exactly. People don’t understand that investing in something often means you could lose it all! It is a massive gamble but if you make a wise investment it is good for you and great for the economy. We need a lot more investment- we need people to get their money working in the economy rather than just sitting in a box under the bed. . If you tax those gains too much, people will look for safer investments. But people phrase it as a tax on unearned income so it’s bad. There is way more to it than that.

JJWT · Today 08:06

If somebody genuinely left wing was in charge your child's needs would be met through the state education system. Outrageous levels of wealth (not your level) would be taxed directly and via an exit tax. Wages would be higher which would massively boost the economy whilst reducing the welfare bill, and public services and infrastructure would be properly invested in, for the benefit of all. The "left wing" stuff thst seems to have irked you is not recognised as left wing in happier countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway etc. The current government is somewhere to the right of Thatcher. A NES and a NSCS running in tandem with a property funded NHS would be transformative. We were offered these things in the 2017 GE. More fool us that we allowed the media to tell us not to vote in sufficient numbers in our own interests. If a Murdoch newspaper tells you not to vote for something you should probably vote for it. Burnham is imo indistinguishable from Starmer. We appear to be just changing the curtains when what is needed is a complete rebuild. I hope I'm wrong about him. We shall see. National Education Service. **National Social Care Service.

Sereine · Today 08:07

OneWarmHazelQuail · Today 07:50

A tutor? You clearly have experience of a SEN child. It's not about academics. My child won't use a toilet and spends his time at home screaming but is just very quiet at school

EHC needs assessments

An EHC needs assessment is an assessment of a child or young person’s education, health and care needs

https://www.ipsea.org.uk/ehc-needs-assessments

vickylou78 · Today 08:09

EasternStandard · Today 08:06

Job losses and rising youth unemployment.

Youth unemployment was high under conservatives don't think that's anything to do with labour and how does youth unemployment affect op?

Binnyforthewin · Today 08:09

My biggest concern is that he changes the law on the definition of a women to thwart the supreme courts judgement. But he only has 2.5 years to do any damage.

BlueRedCat · Today 08:09

JJWT · Today 08:06

If somebody genuinely left wing was in charge your child's needs would be met through the state education system. Outrageous levels of wealth (not your level) would be taxed directly and via an exit tax. Wages would be higher which would massively boost the economy whilst reducing the welfare bill, and public services and infrastructure would be properly invested in, for the benefit of all. The "left wing" stuff thst seems to have irked you is not recognised as left wing in happier countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway etc. The current government is somewhere to the right of Thatcher. A NES and a NSCS running in tandem with a property funded NHS would be transformative. We were offered these things in the 2017 GE. More fool us that we allowed the media to tell us not to vote in sufficient numbers in our own interests. If a Murdoch newspaper tells you not to vote for something you should probably vote for it. Burnham is imo indistinguishable from Starmer. We appear to be just changing the curtains when what is needed is a complete rebuild. I hope I'm wrong about him. We shall see. National Education Service. **National Social Care Service.

Norway has a sovereign wealth fund based on drilling for oil.

we could have one of those. I’ve been saying that for years. It would turn our country around. Apparently it’s frowned upon for countries like us but seen as wonderful for counties like them!

vickylou78 · Today 08:09

Op can you home school your son?

BIossomtoes · Today 08:10

Comeinsideforacupoftea · Today 06:34

OP your post is so out of touch with the problems that affect the majority of the country that I'm not even sure if it's a windup tbh

The name is a giveaway. It’s a composite of a number of names that have started threads like these for months.

RunsABit · Today 08:10

See also the thread whinging about the proposed land value tax - “I might have to pay more for my £2m house and I might have to move. It’s not fair!” It’s so pathetic. You have big assets. It’s fair you’re being taxed on them instead of yet more hikes to income tax. Grow up.

Tell me you don't understand the concept of appreciation without telling me you don't understand the concept of appreciation.

Typical response from the envious who are driving the popularity of 'race you to the bottom' yet have the temerity to tell the hard-working and ambitious to 'grow up'.

Sereine · Today 08:10

Bringemout · Today 05:38

I keep checking when the next election is. I don’t understand why he can’t just answer questions properly, he’s about to be crowned, we are stuck with him whatever happens, he may as well tell us what stupid shite he’s going to do.

There are structural problems, but we absolutely do not need to be expanding welfare or making energy costs more expensive, everything they do is and will make things worse.

Why do you keep checking? It's easy enough to work out, surely?

OneWarmHazelQuail · Today 08:11

ColinOfficeTrolley · Today 07:23

Second home and a child in private school. And this is Andy Burnham's fault how exactly 😂😂😂😂 fucking hell.

One of the most ridiculous posts I've ever read.

Your 2nd home will sell. Maybe not at the price you want it to, but price it correctly and it will. That's not Andy Burnham's fault.

I'm sorry that your child cannot attend mainstream school but you are extremely fortunate that you can privately educate him. Do you know how many people do not have the financial ability to do this?

Blaming Andy Burnham is fucking ridiculous.

I'm not blaming Andy Burnham, I'm just fearful of future policy.

My house won't sell at a price I can afford to sell it at due to large mortgage. An asset doesn't put food on the table.

I think the SEN provisions are failing the UK. We were in a state of desperation. Unless you have a child who is screaming several hours a day at home and won't use a toilet, it's difficult to understand

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Walkaround · Today 08:11

OneWarmHazelQuail · Today 01:23

I feel like I'm being stung in every possible way at the moment- £15 a day on tube to work, high mortgage costs, high energy costs, private schooling for SEN child (I was told state wouldn't be unlikely to assist him as he isn't mute or violent). My parents have had to help fund schooling it felt like my only hope as son has behavioural issues.

I also have an unsold old home that I have to rent out as it wouldn't sell. Buy-to-let mortgage costs, agent fees, maintenance and tax put me in a loss position.

I can't bear what the future holds with Andy Burnham. I have no doubt that he will find new and imaginative ways to keep me in this financial nightmare. I'm literally struggling from food poverty but regarded as rich by policy.

YABU- Andy Burnham is actually going to make things better

YANBU- I'm screwed

I’m interested to know what political party or prime minister you think would actually be capable of improving your situation in the short, medium or long term?

Youhadrambledonfor18pages · Today 08:11

Other than the VAT on your luxury that very few can afford (with or without parental help) then all of these issues were a problem under the previous government.

1dayatatime · Today 08:11

SassyLemonFish · Today 06:56

He’s leaving Manchester £1.4 billion in the red

Hmmm - I think pointing out such hard facts and reality will simply be ignored by the majority of "emotion based" posters on this thread.

Similarly one of the main problems causing a drag on the economy is the massive national debt where just the annual of paying the interest is more than the annual spend on education.

But anyway who cares about facts and reality when we've got salt of the earth Andy, who sends his kids to state school, coming down from Manchester to save the day.

MrsPapillon · Today 08:12

You know that £10billion we wasted on PPE, all the furlough money you all enjoyed, the massive waste that is HS2? We still have to pay it back.

Blame the government who spent it, not the ones who have to repay it.

Walkaround · Today 08:13

1dayatatime · Today 08:11

Hmmm - I think pointing out such hard facts and reality will simply be ignored by the majority of "emotion based" posters on this thread.

Similarly one of the main problems causing a drag on the economy is the massive national debt where just the annual of paying the interest is more than the annual spend on education.

But anyway who cares about facts and reality when we've got salt of the earth Andy, who sends his kids to state school, coming down from Manchester to save the day.

What is dragging on the economy is that the country has catastrophically failing infrastructure, lack of investment and a can’t do attitude 😉.

Sereine · Today 08:13

SummerPeonies2026 · Today 06:03

Labour has crashed the economy spectacularly.

There has been a bloodless coup to install a far left Corbynite. It’s no wonder you are so miserable op, every working person will feel like you. The only posters on here celebrating this development will be the freeloaders on benefits.

The silver lining will be that Burnham has no mandate, he does not have the consent of the people, so unless he is utterly flawless and has a master plan to genuinely salvage the country from this carnage he will be out - and we will have a General Election much sooner than anticipated.

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On the contrary, Labour has done considerably more to repair the economy than anyone thought would be possibly after it was actually crashed by a combination of Johnson and Truss. Have a look at the figures.

Youhadrambledonfor18pages · Today 08:13

1dayatatime · Today 08:11

Hmmm - I think pointing out such hard facts and reality will simply be ignored by the majority of "emotion based" posters on this thread.

Similarly one of the main problems causing a drag on the economy is the massive national debt where just the annual of paying the interest is more than the annual spend on education.

But anyway who cares about facts and reality when we've got salt of the earth Andy, who sends his kids to state school, coming down from Manchester to save the day.

And which party massively increased the national debt?

Pippin2017 · Today 08:14

EasternStandard · Today 08:06

Job losses and rising youth unemployment.

Blame AI (and the billionaire tech companies loved by the political right). The UK is not alone in job losses and youth unemployment, it's a global issue, as is COL crisis.

OneWarmHazelQuail · Today 08:14

rainingsnoring · Today 05:47

Hmmm.
You have a second home and send your child to a private school. You are lucky enough to have well off parents who pay/help pay the fees. You are not on the bread line, not even close.
You made a choice not to reduce the asking price of your home in order to sell it and chose to rent it out. What happened to taking some responsibility for your choices? Your rental losses could easily be remedied by marketing your home at a realistic price, selling it and then reducing your mortgage.
None of the above is Andy Burnham's fault.
The political and economic situation in the UK and many other countries is a major concern. Burnham will just be another in a long stream of failed PMs.

Not true. House is not shifting. Large mortgage - only so much loss I can afford to take.

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Binnyforthewin · Today 08:14

MrsPapillon · Today 08:12

You know that £10billion we wasted on PPE, all the furlough money you all enjoyed, the massive waste that is HS2? We still have to pay it back.

Blame the government who spent it, not the ones who have to repay it.

HS2 is coming back! It'll knock 6 minutes off Burnham commute so well worth spending another £43bazillion on.

GimmieABreakOr3 · Today 08:15

OneWarmHazelQuail · Today 08:01

I didnt buy as an investment. I bought to live in but was a victim of a traumatic crime so moved out quite suddenly.

I dont think anyone goes into buying a property and expects it to be unsellable

Whilst that’s really unfortunate. What has your “unsellable” house got to do with Andy Burnham? Aren’t they shit circumstances regardless of what Prime Minister we have in power? Are you expecting Burnham to come and save you?

EasternStandard · Today 08:16

Pippin2017 · Today 08:14

Blame AI (and the billionaire tech companies loved by the political right). The UK is not alone in job losses and youth unemployment, it's a global issue, as is COL crisis.

You’re ignoring Labour’s policies for some reason, they’ve hit sectors that are not AI heavy.

MidnightPatrol · Today 08:17

topcat2014 · Today 08:01

But surely we should be able to expect more out of our life than just avoiding poverty and homelessness, or is everyone with a crap job and somewhere to sleep supposed to be eternally grateful and forelock tugging

This is something I have exclusively seen on Mumsnet and I am quite compelled to know that there are people out there who think so long as you aren’t actually destitute, everything is fine and you should be eternally grateful as it could be worse.

And therefore anyone ‘rich’ enough to have a mortgage or not budget to the penny in the supermarket, has nothing to complain about.

It’s odd.

MrsPapillon · Today 08:18

Binnyforthewin · Today 08:09

My biggest concern is that he changes the law on the definition of a women to thwart the supreme courts judgement. But he only has 2.5 years to do any damage.

Fucking hell. The world is on fire. Education, Health and all other public services are in meltdown. Our young people can’t get jobs.

But the biggest problem we’re facing is men wearing a frock and wanting to change their name? Are you for real?