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to think this couple in the guardian are strange and this was not an appropriate subject for a book?

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HildegardVonBingham · Yesterday 06:53

My jaw was on the floor as I read this. Obviously it’s awful that they were subjected to a campaign of harassment, absolutely no excuses. But I do think it’s insensitive to write a whole BOOK about it, given that the perpetrators killed themselves in a double suicide?! I also don’t know who just lends a neighbour £10k!!! Whole piece compounds my suspicion of everyone who chooses to live in the arse end of nowhere…. www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/05/dream-home-turned-nightmare-in-wales-stalker-neighbours-stalked-book

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GeorgeMichaelsCat · Yesterday 08:51

HildegardVonBingham · Yesterday 07:11

@LimestonePavement why would you want to re-live the trauma of that happening by writing a book about it? Obviously the man and woman who harassed them did something terrible, but I just find it weird. I also thought some of the writing had an AI tone.

So something good comes out of it. They get to share their story which might help them heal and bring in some money.

Kokonimater · Yesterday 08:53

HildegardVonBingham · Yesterday 07:11

@LimestonePavement why would you want to re-live the trauma of that happening by writing a book about it? Obviously the man and woman who harassed them did something terrible, but I just find it weird. I also thought some of the writing had an AI tone.

It’s not reliving the trauma it’s processing it.
Thats the best way to deal with trauma. Talk, write about it.
If the trauma is too deep then EMDR can heal it.

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 08:55

HildegardVonBingham · Yesterday 07:11

@LimestonePavement why would you want to re-live the trauma of that happening by writing a book about it? Obviously the man and woman who harassed them did something terrible, but I just find it weird. I also thought some of the writing had an AI tone.

For some people writing, or expressing their trauma in different ways is not ‘reliving’ it - it’s processing it. Because you find it weird doesn’t make it so.

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 09:00

User97463 · Yesterday 08:24

So they actually didn't have to AI a book to get their 25K back!

Paperwork was never processed, so they had no claim on the land.

sugarandcyanide · Yesterday 09:00

This is so similar to the plot of The Wrong Neighbour by Caleb Crowe.

I don't blame them for wanting to make some money out of a horrible situation though.

canklesmctacotits · Yesterday 09:01

My thoughts after reading the article were mostly about how sanctimonious the couple are. The whole tone was “we’re just wanting to live an eco life quietly, preserve and restore this Welsh farmhouse, we’re all about halcyon country days”. Living in a bus, couple come together later in life - they came across as having overcome hardships and now just wanted peace and quiet and an innocent life in wales. So patronising and smug to think that everyone would see the world the same way, that the landowner wouldn’t try to do his best for himself by parcelling off the land as would maximise his profits; to think these random strangers would treat them honestly and fairly. I mean, obviously we all hope for that but we all generally have the common sense to not lend strangers thousands of pounds because we all know it’s high risk and we might not get it back, we all know that land sales aren’t done out of charity. Thing is, living on a bus on a building site is no joke - this couple will have known it too but to read the story you’d think it was angels and fairies who put the house together in gorgeous summer sunshine. There’s zero acceptance of their own stupidity, just pointing out with faux innocence the flaws in everyone else. 100% victimhood, 0% self awareness.

I ended it thinking “well, if you hadn’t been so stupid in the first place…”. The “imagining [whatever the wife’s name was] standing barefoot in the meadow, laughing” was just so utterly, contemptible Boden-catalogue I actually lol-ed. Idiots.

Ormally · Yesterday 09:08

canklesmctacotits · Yesterday 09:01

My thoughts after reading the article were mostly about how sanctimonious the couple are. The whole tone was “we’re just wanting to live an eco life quietly, preserve and restore this Welsh farmhouse, we’re all about halcyon country days”. Living in a bus, couple come together later in life - they came across as having overcome hardships and now just wanted peace and quiet and an innocent life in wales. So patronising and smug to think that everyone would see the world the same way, that the landowner wouldn’t try to do his best for himself by parcelling off the land as would maximise his profits; to think these random strangers would treat them honestly and fairly. I mean, obviously we all hope for that but we all generally have the common sense to not lend strangers thousands of pounds because we all know it’s high risk and we might not get it back, we all know that land sales aren’t done out of charity. Thing is, living on a bus on a building site is no joke - this couple will have known it too but to read the story you’d think it was angels and fairies who put the house together in gorgeous summer sunshine. There’s zero acceptance of their own stupidity, just pointing out with faux innocence the flaws in everyone else. 100% victimhood, 0% self awareness.

I ended it thinking “well, if you hadn’t been so stupid in the first place…”. The “imagining [whatever the wife’s name was] standing barefoot in the meadow, laughing” was just so utterly, contemptible Boden-catalogue I actually lol-ed. Idiots.

If Amandaland melded with Grand Designs courtesy of ChatGPT....
Surprisingly easy to imagine being a story for our times.

User97463 · Yesterday 09:08

canklesmctacotits · Yesterday 09:01

My thoughts after reading the article were mostly about how sanctimonious the couple are. The whole tone was “we’re just wanting to live an eco life quietly, preserve and restore this Welsh farmhouse, we’re all about halcyon country days”. Living in a bus, couple come together later in life - they came across as having overcome hardships and now just wanted peace and quiet and an innocent life in wales. So patronising and smug to think that everyone would see the world the same way, that the landowner wouldn’t try to do his best for himself by parcelling off the land as would maximise his profits; to think these random strangers would treat them honestly and fairly. I mean, obviously we all hope for that but we all generally have the common sense to not lend strangers thousands of pounds because we all know it’s high risk and we might not get it back, we all know that land sales aren’t done out of charity. Thing is, living on a bus on a building site is no joke - this couple will have known it too but to read the story you’d think it was angels and fairies who put the house together in gorgeous summer sunshine. There’s zero acceptance of their own stupidity, just pointing out with faux innocence the flaws in everyone else. 100% victimhood, 0% self awareness.

I ended it thinking “well, if you hadn’t been so stupid in the first place…”. The “imagining [whatever the wife’s name was] standing barefoot in the meadow, laughing” was just so utterly, contemptible Boden-catalogue I actually lol-ed. Idiots.

I also though it odd there was no mention of family and what they thought of the whole thing. If my retired parents lent two strange nutters 25K to buy neighbouring land I would be having a serious word with them! That's like falling for the nigerian prince scam. So none of their siblings or adult children tried to intervene?

Notverylikely · Yesterday 09:10

Sweetbeansandmochi · Yesterday 07:08

Well they write well for a start, so I can see why they would want to apply those skills.

Sometimes the only way to deal with trauma is to transform it through a creative act. So, I don’t think it’s weird.

It was too long for a teaser in the guardian because I don’t need to read the book now.

I don't think they write well! Occasional "literary" phrases or sentences that don’t fit with the rest of the style, and look as if they were dropped in later, don’t make good writing in my opinion. But after their awful experiences I don’t see why they shouldn’t write the book and profit from it. (I’m not clear whether they ever got their money back.)

sweatingmyarseoff · Yesterday 09:14

User97463 · Yesterday 07:39

They are not overcoming trauma. They have turned the experience into a badly written AI-slop book and trying to get rich off it.

You don't fet rich after writing a single kow profile book.

fannysyraunt · Yesterday 09:18

“Hi guys. I wouldn’t ask if it wasn’t urgent. Could we have a quick chat? Bit of a financial hiccup.”

"No".

The End.

thisandthats · Yesterday 09:20

HildegardVonBingham · Yesterday 07:11

@LimestonePavement why would you want to re-live the trauma of that happening by writing a book about it? Obviously the man and woman who harassed them did something terrible, but I just find it weird. I also thought some of the writing had an AI tone.

Maybe to make back their 25k they lost

IrisApril · Yesterday 09:20

I really don’t understand about the money and the fields?

There were multiple fields adjacent to their property, and they wanted to buy them. But didn’t have the funds yet.

Then the landowner agrees to sell to someone who did have the money ready, fine.

But then the couple lend £10k and £15k to help these new people (people they’d just met!) buy the fields????

If they had £25k at their disposal, why not just buy, say, one of the fields? And let the other people buy the others?

Either they wanted partial ownership of all fields, in which case, why would you trust total strangers to put your name on the deeds. OR it was a loan and they expected the money back, in which case, why would you loan that much money to total strangers, and why would you help someone buy the land which you yourself wanted? Surely you would say “oh sorry we can’t help”. Then if the sale fell through, you can still buy a field yourself?

IrisApril · Yesterday 09:21

Also the writing is cliche-ridden and dreadful

Saeris · Yesterday 09:22

Sweetbeansandmochi · Yesterday 07:08

Well they write well for a start, so I can see why they would want to apply those skills.

Sometimes the only way to deal with trauma is to transform it through a creative act. So, I don’t think it’s weird.

It was too long for a teaser in the guardian because I don’t need to read the book now.

I thought it was a load of waffle. Waaaaay too long. Was there a minimum word count?

Two people stepped out – the same young man, along with a petite woman in a navy cardigan and blue dress, her lipstick perfectly applied and blond hair swept up. Her heels sank slightly in the gravel as they approached.

The next night, I was jolted awake by the growl of an engine. Peering out, I saw Cassie and Francis driving across the field, straight towards the section where we had made our repairs the night before

Amanda returned home one afternoon, her step heavy. Francis was putting up a fence. Not a hedge, not post and wire, not the kind of weathered timber that belongs in the landscape.

The silence that followed wasn’t relief; it was heavier than the noise itself.

They reloaded from their pockets with practised, twitchy movements, like they’d done it a hundred times in private and were ready now for the performance.

I felt my throat close. Two years of evidence, thousands of messages, all the fear, the threats, the nights we slept with one eye open – gone in a blink. No jury. No testimony. No voice.

I laughed, a sharp, hollow sound. “You’ve no idea what they’re capable of.”

“Maybe now,” she said, her voice soft but sure, “the land can heal.”

Tonissister · Yesterday 09:22

HildegardVonBingham · Yesterday 07:11

@LimestonePavement why would you want to re-live the trauma of that happening by writing a book about it? Obviously the man and woman who harassed them did something terrible, but I just find it weird. I also thought some of the writing had an AI tone.

Writing is known to be a very therapeutic way of processing trauma. It will help them understand what happened, and create closure, particularly over aspects they may feel were their own fault - like lending the money (who does that? I suspect they may already have felt slightly intimidated.)

It was their life, their bizarre and horrendous experience. They have a right to turn it into a memoir if they choose. That's what memoir is: an account of an extraordinary time in life, often an ordeal. It sounds horrific. Very Harlen Coben.

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · Yesterday 09:24

DuckBushCityLimit · Yesterday 07:27

It reads like an extended Take A Break cover story. Very odd.

This made me chuckle 😃 I remember when I did work experience at the local newspaper, I met a PR guy who (supposedly) did stories for Take a Break, and he got ms to write a story about a lady who'd been through a lot of drama with her ex.

The draft I wrote was almost exactly like the style of the Guardian piece, except hopefully not quite so much flowery language and AI sounding slop.... it made me realise it wasn't my natural writing style, and far too melodramatic to be convincing!😳😅

Tonissister · Yesterday 09:25

Saeris · Yesterday 09:22

I thought it was a load of waffle. Waaaaay too long. Was there a minimum word count?

Two people stepped out – the same young man, along with a petite woman in a navy cardigan and blue dress, her lipstick perfectly applied and blond hair swept up. Her heels sank slightly in the gravel as they approached.

The next night, I was jolted awake by the growl of an engine. Peering out, I saw Cassie and Francis driving across the field, straight towards the section where we had made our repairs the night before

Amanda returned home one afternoon, her step heavy. Francis was putting up a fence. Not a hedge, not post and wire, not the kind of weathered timber that belongs in the landscape.

The silence that followed wasn’t relief; it was heavier than the noise itself.

They reloaded from their pockets with practised, twitchy movements, like they’d done it a hundred times in private and were ready now for the performance.

I felt my throat close. Two years of evidence, thousands of messages, all the fear, the threats, the nights we slept with one eye open – gone in a blink. No jury. No testimony. No voice.

I laughed, a sharp, hollow sound. “You’ve no idea what they’re capable of.”

“Maybe now,” she said, her voice soft but sure, “the land can heal.”

Do you think that is really badly written? I find it a bit commercial but not total waffle. All those descriptions, even if they are a bit heavy-handed, help to portray the scenes vividly.

LimestonePavement · Yesterday 09:26

Saeris · Yesterday 09:22

I thought it was a load of waffle. Waaaaay too long. Was there a minimum word count?

Two people stepped out – the same young man, along with a petite woman in a navy cardigan and blue dress, her lipstick perfectly applied and blond hair swept up. Her heels sank slightly in the gravel as they approached.

The next night, I was jolted awake by the growl of an engine. Peering out, I saw Cassie and Francis driving across the field, straight towards the section where we had made our repairs the night before

Amanda returned home one afternoon, her step heavy. Francis was putting up a fence. Not a hedge, not post and wire, not the kind of weathered timber that belongs in the landscape.

The silence that followed wasn’t relief; it was heavier than the noise itself.

They reloaded from their pockets with practised, twitchy movements, like they’d done it a hundred times in private and were ready now for the performance.

I felt my throat close. Two years of evidence, thousands of messages, all the fear, the threats, the nights we slept with one eye open – gone in a blink. No jury. No testimony. No voice.

I laughed, a sharp, hollow sound. “You’ve no idea what they’re capable of.”

“Maybe now,” she said, her voice soft but sure, “the land can heal.”

But that’s what these books are always like — ghostwritten off a series of interviews with the people involved, deliberately written in that kind of cliched clunk. No one who likes fine writing or literary prose is going to be buying a book by non-writers about being harassed by psycho neighbours. And I think someone up the thread made a good point, that it’s probably as much as anything else been written so that anyone who wants to use it as the basis for a tv drama will have to pay to option it.

Beachtastic · Yesterday 09:41

fannysyraunt · Yesterday 09:18

“Hi guys. I wouldn’t ask if it wasn’t urgent. Could we have a quick chat? Bit of a financial hiccup.”

"No".

The End.

It wouldn't have been the end, though. They'd have been attacked for not lending the money.

Mistymaglets · Yesterday 09:43

I thought it was an interesting read but don't understand the situation at all.

What exactly was the problem that led to the stalking and petrol bombing?

It went from " here, have our money" to spraying the bus with ball bearings.

And what exactly were the couple involved in?

It's a bit The Good Life meets The Sopranos.

ZenNudist · Yesterday 09:50

I don't understand the vitriol. Didn't strike me as unusual for stuff you read in the guardian. I'd already forgotten about it. I don't read the books that come with these stories.

I agree that lending £25k to a neighbour is nuts. Maybe that part didn't happen and its made up to make them seem more of a victim.

DierdreDaphne · Yesterday 09:51

TheBlueKoala · Yesterday 07:27

I agree @HildegardVonBingham. I read this article yesterday and something just felt off to me. Not the story in itself, but the way it was written and details not adding up. I don't believe it.

I agree - but also it's a condensation of the book which presumably gives a lot more detail, context and probably enables the reader to trace causality - all of which are stripped out. I often find this with condensed books.

Saying that I agree with PPs that this is a weird story. The new neighbours were obviously nutters but the entitlement of the writers to just own and enjoy a huge chunk of Welsh countryside kind of grates, even if noone (obviously) deserves to be subjected to this kind of criminal harassment.

But although I was gripped and read to the end it did not enhance my day and I kind of wich I hadn't. I didn't feel Id learned anything or come awy with any warmth towards the victims..Which is kind of odd?

Beachtastic · Yesterday 09:51

Mistymaglets · Yesterday 09:43

I thought it was an interesting read but don't understand the situation at all.

What exactly was the problem that led to the stalking and petrol bombing?

It went from " here, have our money" to spraying the bus with ball bearings.

And what exactly were the couple involved in?

It's a bit The Good Life meets The Sopranos.

Some people are crazy. The guy probably had amphetamine psychosis on top of other things. I read the article thinking "I used to go out with this guy" and was relieved to see the names are real so it's not him!

LimestonePavement · Yesterday 09:51

ZenNudist · Yesterday 09:50

I don't understand the vitriol. Didn't strike me as unusual for stuff you read in the guardian. I'd already forgotten about it. I don't read the books that come with these stories.

I agree that lending £25k to a neighbour is nuts. Maybe that part didn't happen and its made up to make them seem more of a victim.

I assume they’d have had to provide evidence of that to the CPS before the trial, even though Collins changed his plea at the last minute.

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