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AIBU to wonder how a government can be based in Manchester?

249 replies

dottiedodah · Today 16:58

Andy Burnham is proposing to govern from Manchester when he starts on July 20th.How can this be so ? Surely all previous governments have been based in London?

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AlcoholicAntibiotic · Today 19:05

Monty36 · Today 19:03

Shame on you. Westminster is a beautiful building. Full of history. Our history. Abandoning it to some sterile modern breeze block would be utterly depressing.

Other forms of modern architecture are available…

soddingspiderseason · Today 19:06

Monty36 · Today 19:03

Shame on you. Westminster is a beautiful building. Full of history. Our history. Abandoning it to some sterile modern breeze block would be utterly depressing.

Oh for goodness sake. Its one, new department not the whole government!!!! A department about devolution; run from a city that has successfully progressed devolution.

MrsPapillon · Today 19:07

Monty36 · Today 19:03

Shame on you. Westminster is a beautiful building. Full of history. Our history. Abandoning it to some sterile modern breeze block would be utterly depressing.

Ordinarily I would agree, if it was going to cost even tens of millions, but 40 BILLION pounds!!!!!

Is an old building more important than improving education, healthcare, defence etc?

Housewife2010 · Today 19:07

WarriorN · Today 17:05

It’s actually the midlands.

So would be equally distant for everyone to get to.

Though I must say it’s easier to get from the actual north (Newcastle) to London by train than it is to the new Identifies as North (Manchester)

Manchester is in the Midlands? 🤣 Oh dear. You obviously didn't pass your Geography GCSE.

IdaGlossop · Today 19:08

Dontcallmescarface · Today 19:00

Why not. The city is booming and so many organisations have relocated there preferring it to London.

My sarcasm hasn't translated. There are myriad reasons, but it's the obvious place as Manchesterism was developed there. My nephew studied medicine in Manchester and is determined to remain there, having resisted all encouragement to go to London.

Goldenbear · Today 19:08

What about Durham, Sheffield, Sunderland, Liverpool

GingerBeverage · Today 19:08

Hope he books the super advanced tickets otherwise it’s going to sting for same day first class.

Monty36 · Today 19:08

MrsPapillon · Today 19:07

Ordinarily I would agree, if it was going to cost even tens of millions, but 40 BILLION pounds!!!!!

Is an old building more important than improving education, healthcare, defence etc?

I think sometimes you have to wonder about the costs quoted for things.

Erin1975 · Today 19:09

ThunderThunderThunderThunderCats · Today 17:31

Manchester is literally in the NORTH west! It's not the bloody midlands. Jaysus, next you'll be calling scousers southerners. 😂

The north west if England. The people of Inverness would like a word about how you define north.

soddingspiderseason · Today 19:09

rumblegrumble · Today 19:00

There's no official title of 'England's second city', it's entirely subjective. And is usually considered to be Birmingham anyway.

And even if it were, why does that automatically mean it should be chosen? It may be cheaper than London, but it's certainly not the cheapest place in the country. And prices are rising fast. Why not choose somewhere even cheaper, like Hull? Or more centrally located, like Newcastle? Why not choose somewhere in desperate need of regeneration, rather than somewhere that's already benefited?

I would very much like to see how the decision was reached, and why alternatives like these were discounted in favour of a pretty expensive city with mediocre (at best) transport links.

Yes, Birmingham thinks its England’s second city, but its not really is it? This is one new department about devolution. Why not put it somewhere that has done devolution well? Makes absolute sense.

Monty36 · Today 19:10

soddingspiderseason · Today 19:06

Oh for goodness sake. Its one, new department not the whole government!!!! A department about devolution; run from a city that has successfully progressed devolution.

I was responding to the suggestion that the whole of Westminster closed up and moved to a new building.

Icecreamandcoffee · Today 19:10

Instructions · Today 17:10

It would be impossible. Everyone knows governments can only function from London. Manchester doesn't have things like phone lines and internet connections and offices and transport hubs and so on, nothing ever gets done here- if people need to make a decision they have to take a train to London to do it!

Absolutely. As someone who lives in the north, the only reason I am able to use a mobile phone, the internet and sometimes even a computer is because there is a train line to London.

I say sometimes use a computer because our train line to London is not very good, it only runs every couple of hours at odd times and if you need to go to the office for before 10am on a weekday morning then you have to set off the night before and stop in one of those posh newfangled hotels. It also stops at 8pm at night leaving you stranded in London until 5am the next day.

The town over does not have a train line to London and they are stuck in the stone age, they only discovered fire last week. I am thankful for our inconvenient train for dragging us into the future.

I can only see positive for moving a section of the government to Manchester. The houses of parliament have been needing a refurb for a bit. It would be nice for MPs for political parties of all colours to experience life out of London and indeed have to travel out of London through the Midlands and the north and see issues that affect the Midlands/ north. Poor public transport connectivity, pockets of deprivation due to post industrial towns getting 0 investment, general lack of infrastructure investment ect.

Goldenbear · Today 19:10

South West- Plymouth, Exeter, Truro

JazzyAmbs · Today 19:11

TheGander · Today 18:07

So he doesn’t want to move to London because his wife has a job in Manchester. He hasn’t even been elected and he’s already dictating a move by Government to his fiefdom. He didn’t take bother to questions today. There’s confidence and there’s downright arrogance. Person not convinced yet.

Exactly. Still hoping Al Cairns throws in a challenge. I reckon he could make mincemeat of him. And maybe throw in Birmingham for a base just to piss him off 🤣

Tigersofwrath · Today 19:11

GingerBeverage · Today 19:08

Hope he books the super advanced tickets otherwise it’s going to sting for same day first class.

The same as it costs now for non-London based MPs to travel to Westminster, I believe.

Badbadbunny · Today 19:11

rivalsbinge · Today 18:53

Things is I’d agree but labour didn’t really follow any manifesto and u-turned like crazy, I think if they had stuck to common sense policies we’d still have starmer in place.

Starmer was always only a temporary "front man" to make Labour electable. Many people forecast his being removed mid term before he even won the GE. The "left" knew they'd not win a GE with a "leftie" leader, so put in a stooge instead. Now it's their time to appoint lefties to major cabinet posts to do what their union paymasters want them to do.

MaturingCheeseball · Today 19:12

I don’t care if he’s governing from the moon, but… I’m resigned to the fact that bureaucracy will mushroom: “Director of Lanyards (Manchester) £85k, Director of Lanyard Equity (Manchester) £60k, Deputy Director of Lanyard Inclusion (Manchester) £55k and so on and so on…

UniquePinkSwan · Today 19:13

Wingingit73 · Today 18:44

Why can't it? You do realise there is life up north

Barely. It’s shit up here

jdb9803 · Today 19:13

dottiedodah · Today 16:58

Andy Burnham is proposing to govern from Manchester when he starts on July 20th.How can this be so ? Surely all previous governments have been based in London?

Who knew peole actually live outside of London!

IdaGlossop · Today 19:13

Tigersofwrath · Today 18:56

Yes.

I'm also struck by some posters implicitly or explicitly horrified by the prospect of being governed from 200-300+ miles away. Imagine how that must feel.

(Again, Andy Burnham is not of course proposing to move Government to Manchester.)

The north-south divide is alive and well, unfortunately. It hasn't really shifted since the 1970s.

soddingspiderseason · Today 19:14

Goldenbear · Today 19:10

South West- Plymouth, Exeter, Truro

Are indeed in the south west. Maybe if the new department was about tourism or rural housing/2nd homes then it would make sense to put it in one of those places. But its about devolution, so putting it somewhere that knows about devolution is a sensible move.

Squirrelblanket · Today 19:14

The best thing about this Andy Burnham situation is seeing Londoners panic about AN ACTUAL NORTHERNER as PM.

Oh, you are funny! Get a grip! 😂

RosieHosie · Today 19:15

Offherrockingchair · Today 17:15

Oxford was once the capital…

So was Winchester..

rwalker · Today 19:16

Weren’t the supposed to be coming out of the houses if parliament any fir a good few years for major renovations

Hubbalooloo · Today 19:20

MrsPapillon · Today 19:02

Although if they close the Houses of Parliament for refurbishing like they’ve been saying they need to for a while, one option would be a temporary relocation to another part of the country, so I suppose the chance of that option being selected has ticked up a notch.

If it is going to cost the proposed £40 billion and take 60 years to refurbish parliament, I’d prefer them to build a permanent new modern building for 1% of the cost.

some of those billions coukd be used for so much else. Making schools and hospitals ready to handle heat springs to mind atm and then there’s housing and defence.