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AIBU to wonder how a government can be based in Manchester?

249 replies

dottiedodah · Today 16:58

Andy Burnham is proposing to govern from Manchester when he starts on July 20th.How can this be so ? Surely all previous governments have been based in London?

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cardibach · Today 18:26

Monty36 · Today 18:23

It does matter where Parliament is run from. All the other MP’s leave their constituencies to attend it. They have expenses in doing so. Second homes etc.
He already knows a lot of Government depts are already located in the North.
But if he seeks to split Westminster by having an alternative in the North that is a recipe for disaster.
Sooner or later some argument will occur about whose decisions take precedence over the other. Does the country follow rules made by North 10 or Downing St 10 ?
Unnecessary and divisive.

He’s not proposing to move parliament, or any part of it. He’s proposing to move part of a governmental department - not even really move as it’s a new bit. He wants to locate the new bit which will deal with devolution in Manchester.

MellowZebra · Today 18:26

HarmoniousHumbug · Today 18:24

How much is this going to cost?

Sixty trillion quid.

Hubbalooloo · Today 18:27

HarmoniousHumbug · Today 18:24

How much is this going to cost?

well politicians living expenses might be reduced. It’s cheaper to rent in Manchester than it is in London, probably cheaper to eat too. There’s a big airport and train station. If there’s a building big enough to house it all what’s the difference?

SleepingStandingUp · Today 18:27

Hubbalooloo · Today 18:24

Manchester is in the North West.

precisely. it's North, not Midlands.

MellowZebra · Today 18:28

TheGander · Today 18:24

Ok, must admit I didn’t understand the technicalities of overthrowing a current leader and prime minister and it seems the consensus is it’s perfectly valid. It all does seem like a bit of an inside job by power hungry players.

Were you perchance asleep in 2022 when not just one but two PMs were ousted?

rumblegrumble · Today 18:28

The government can be based anywhere, and there are strong arguments for it not be based in the largest, wealthiest city. Especially when said city is both geographically and culturally a long way from much of the country. Somewhere more central is a perfectly sensible. It's also perfectly sensible to have governmental contingents focussed on different areas of the countries. (Sort of like mayors, I suppose...)

However, I don't think there's any suggestion of moving the whole government, just a few people. Not sure we know which people. Just Burnham's favourites, presumably. Like his own glittering little court, fit for the 'king of the north'. It's unclear as to what the benefit of this would be, at least to anyone other than him.

If there had been a full consultation to investigate which departments should be moved to where, which took into account all sorts of considerations from transport links to office prices, that would be one thing. There would be a detailed report of the rationale, and the cost vs benefits. This is not that. As far as I know, there has been announcement as to why Manchester rather than than say Liverpool, or Nottingham, or Sheffield etc. Just that he's from there, and doesn't really want to bother moving.

Rubyslipperswitch · Today 18:30

Nothing wrong with that.

The civil service already has offices all over the country so I don't see why this would be an issue.

The only thing that would concern me is that I don't want to see tax payer money used on expensive building/office refurbishment to accommodate the move.

Hubbalooloo · Today 18:31

WarriorN · Today 17:05

It’s actually the midlands.

So would be equally distant for everyone to get to.

Though I must say it’s easier to get from the actual north (Newcastle) to London by train than it is to the new Identifies as North (Manchester)

it’s the North West

double0seven · Today 18:33

didntlikeanyofthesuggestions · Today 16:59

I guess it would be like being based in London but everyone would have funny northern accents.

Accentist comment

Hubbalooloo · Today 18:36

ExtraOnions · Today 17:34

Just like in London … but more Chips and Gravy

Rice chips and curry is better followed by a lolly ice.

Nowisthetimeforicecream · Today 18:36

Isthismykarma · Today 17:15

I wonder whereabouts in Manchester they’d put it. Was walking past the people’s history museum earlier on my break and saw all the journalists outside after he’d given his speech, it would bring some jobs in which would be good news

It would probably be like the BBC. The staff will just commute from London.

Loopylalalou · Today 18:37

millymollymoomoo · Today 17:00

he won’t last more than 5 minutes ( thankfully) so it’s all irrelevant really

It won’t last more than 5 minutes once someone reckons the costs involved.

Igmum · Today 18:37

My cats would like to know if there will be interviews for the job of Larry of the North and whether the job includes Dreamies perks.

And I managed to send this by borrowing my neighbour’s yoghurt pot and attaching a bit of string. It was that or wait until the next pilgrim walked by and ask them to take it with them.

IdaGlossop · Today 18:38

Monty36 · Today 18:23

It does matter where Parliament is run from. All the other MP’s leave their constituencies to attend it. They have expenses in doing so. Second homes etc.
He already knows a lot of Government depts are already located in the North.
But if he seeks to split Westminster by having an alternative in the North that is a recipe for disaster.
Sooner or later some argument will occur about whose decisions take precedence over the other. Does the country follow rules made by North 10 or Downing St 10 ?
Unnecessary and divisive.

Only the operation making devolution happen is to be in Manchester. It's not going to be the location for a duplicate government. Of course that would be a disaster.

Nowisthetimeforicecream · Today 18:38

cardibach · Today 18:26

He’s not proposing to move parliament, or any part of it. He’s proposing to move part of a governmental department - not even really move as it’s a new bit. He wants to locate the new bit which will deal with devolution in Manchester.

He just moving a handful of SPADS who presumably are already his cronies from Manchester. It's the worst type of tokenism.

Monty36 · Today 18:39

cardibach · Today 18:26

He’s not proposing to move parliament, or any part of it. He’s proposing to move part of a governmental department - not even really move as it’s a new bit. He wants to locate the new bit which will deal with devolution in Manchester.

From what i can gather it is Prime Ministers office, or part of it. As you say, not Parliament.
But it still has the potential to cause issues. Whose office and where located rules the roost ?

Tiddlywinkly · Today 18:40

soddingspiderseason · Today 18:08

Its not the whole government, just part of it. But anyway, why not? Manchester is booming. London is ridiculously expensive to live in, and people are great up here.

Hear hear

ruffler45 · Today 18:40

Manchester is booming

Last time I went through ( a few months ago) the city centre was nothing but high rise flats and more being built on every piece of spare land., I thought we did away with those a few years ago for very good reasons... I suppose it is good for lots of council tax...

bittertwisted · Today 18:40

ThunderThunderThunderThunderCats · Today 17:43

If Manchester isn't in the north, then does that mean as a scouser I'm not a northerner? I'd like to see you tell anyone from Liverpool they're a southerner. 😂

Agreed
Liverpool IS NOT the midlands
end of

Tigersofwrath · Today 18:41

millymollymoomoo · Today 17:43

@ruethewhirl because his socialist plans are going to send the markets into meltdown, his tax raids will drive more away and impact markets ( and voter feelings!), he’s more pro immigration which people don’t want, his policies will further wreck the economy and he’ll be more hated than Starmer

he has no mandate for any of his policies, less so than Starmer.

So much hyperbole and generalisation.

The financial markets have already factored in the probability of his premiership, because that is how financial markets work. And they have not gone into meltdown.

Mind, we all know the safest pairs of hands for the economy are the Conservatives, none of their PMs ever destroyed the markets.

Oh no, wait...

RaininSummer · Today 18:41

Not sure it really matters as meetings can be done online. Surely he may need to turn up for questions time though.

InQuiresandplaceswheretheysing · Today 18:41

Since most of the machinery of government is based in London. I can’t see it being practical to run from Manchester. I don’t think he’ll last long.

Hubbalooloo · Today 18:43

WarriorN · Today 17:40

I was born in Manchester but lived in the NE for so long, it’s really not north!

No it’s in the north of the west of the uk

Monty36 · Today 18:44

IdaGlossop · Today 18:38

Only the operation making devolution happen is to be in Manchester. It's not going to be the location for a duplicate government. Of course that would be a disaster.

So why do that ? He has suggested that Westminster is broken as the reason. So by saying so indicates he has no confidence in those located at No10 presently.
The devolution issue should be called abdication. Absolving decisions to local councils is a recipe for corruption. But of course, any issues will be nothing to do with him or Labour of course. Talk to your Council.
I like his programme of building council houses. And more public ownership.
His north v south talk I dislike, I dislike devolution of powers to local Councils.

Wingingit73 · Today 18:44

Why can't it? You do realise there is life up north

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