AIBU to feel helpless about a large asylum camp in our village?

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My village has been chosen for a 1500 open asylum camp for single men. It will be an open camp (as the men haven't done anything wrong so aren't detained.)

The thing is the village only has 700 people and it is pretty isolated. it's about 10 miles to the nearest city and you can walk to another small village. There is a playpark, a pub and a primary school.

It has to go through planning, but the government have changed the planning laws so that they grant themselves planning and you can't see it as it is deemed sensitive. So they will just grant themselves planning and you can't oppose it without a judicial review--by which time it will probably be already open.

They want to reduce the number of people in hotels. But am AIBU to think that this puts the burden of sorting these issues out on one tiny community? Feels like we are collateral damage to be honest. The community will be outnumbered 2 to 1 and it feels too much. There is nothing for them to do or places to go. Also the fact that it is all single men put in one massive place with no money or means or anything to do is going to lead to problems

Apparently the camps cost £10 less a night than the hotels. But they don't count the set up costs which are astronomical (the one in Essex was £47 million to set up). So it seems like it's not not even cheaper than the problem it is trying to solve but much more expensive.

AIBU to feel a bit helpless? It seems so unfair but there is nothing I can do. We wouldn't be able to move from the village anyway as no one would buy a house here.

Over 250,000 white woman and children reported rapes in the UK over the last few years and 95% of them were muslin immigrants, its been reported but covered up. Its all now coming out

I don’t disagree that’s it’s men as a sex class who are - statistically speaking- problematic. But we don’t have a choice about the shameful number of “born and bred” rapists living here. Those that are here supposedly seeking refuge can and should be removed if any crime is committed, sexual or otherwise.

Some FOI data indicated that Afghan men were more likely to commit sexual crimes when population data is taken into account, iirc. Which is not really surprising, given the appalling human rights abuses of women that are effectively normalized by the Taliban. I’ll have a rummage for the stats.

we had an influx of refugees and it was hell on earth..young girls being followed and flashed, groups drinking in the parks outside schools as they had nothing else to do all day. one man tried to touch a young girl and it was awful, schools stopped letting year 5s walk home without parents.
it’s a mad idea, too many in one place. They won’t integrate, values are too different.

This article covers the topic:

https://news.sky.com/story/fact-checking-farage-are-foreigners-more-likely-than-britons-to-commit-sexual-offences-13407029

This is why I am not happy about the large numbers of single men immigrating here. It isn’t about what race or nationality they are, it is that they are from very different cultures, bringing with them the ideas that women are inferior, children are chattels or marriageable, our laws should be supplanted by theirs, gangs are the way to live, etc.
And they don't seem to want to integrate, or learn English, or adopt our way of life. Many of them seem actively to despise the West.
I think we are storing up a lot of trouble.

I completely understand this. It’s difficult for people to understand how they would react until it’s on their doorstep. I was outraged at all the riots at hotels. Was then absolutely shocked (and taken aback at my reaction) when an asylum hotel was opened in a hotel about 50 metres from my old flat in Canary Wharf. I had sold and moved out but I wouldn’t have been able to if I lived there now. And I certainly wouldn’t have felt safe walking around after dark. Need to add(stress) that I’m very much not a racist and married to a Muslim Iraqi man whose family left for geopolitical reasons.

You can be worried about the impact on your community and lives without being racist or thinking no one is entitled to claim asylum. Canary Wharf makes more sense than a tiny village. How is that supposed to work? And what are they supposed to do all day - it’s rubbish for them too. It would feel quite different if it was families and there’s more daily structure in a family just functioning.

You don’t have to have all the answers to voice your concerns xx

edited to add I will wait for the pile on!

Look at rape rates in the UK VS EU nations who have massively massively not accepted any refugees

The provision of legal aid is an international legal requirement. Having legal representation doesn’t mean they will be successful, the law is still the law. Large numbers are granted asylum, not because they have lawyers, but because they qualify for it.

I assume you are basing your opinion on the BBC report which focussed on specific individuals from specific areas used sexual orientation to try to make a claim. These claims make up 2% of all applications. The report didn’t feature a single person who was successful in their claim, but spoke to one who failed and was returned to Pakistan. There was nothing to suggest there is widespread fraud in the asylum system, but it does show there is a need to regulate it more. Not to reduce the numbers of claims, but to reduce the number of people being scammed.

Yes. I’d be terrified! 1500 women ….. I’d be much happier!

Which EU nations are those? How are they reporting rape numbers?

I couldn't agree with you less.
Why do you think single sex spaces exist (and indeed why so many women are vociferously campaigning to keep them)?
Why do women feel uneasy walking home alone at night, or walking past groups of men, irrespective of race/creed?

Almost all s*x crime is committed against women by men and I don't think any women would disagree with that, or the subsequent fear that it instills in most women from a fairly young age, especially when walking alone, at night.

Thankyou for your thoughtful repsonse

I’m sorry but this is ridiculous.

Even More or Less, the stats check programme on radio 4, was forced to admit that our best data on immigrants ( when you exclude immigrants from countries where people are not likely to be seeking asylum from) are sex offenders at a higher rate that the British population. Possibly explanations for this given on the programme included the fact they are younger than the general population and escaping trauma. Other possible explanations I would suggest include coming from different cultures with different attitudes to women and the fact they are unemployed, unoccupied young men with no stabilizing force of family or community.

I am really tired of people who do not have to live in areas of the UK with high concentrations of such men lecturing those that do on how ‘stereotyping’ they are being, when basic critical thinking skills would suggest that such high concentrations of such a demographic is very likely to cause problems. And so people stating it is causes problems should be taken seriously, not dismissed.

Poland. Budapest. Many MNers have said when they go to Poland they feel incredibly incredibly safe.

Are you talking about Linton On Ouse between York and Harrogate? It’s a small village with poor public transport links to either city and with very little to do there.
Last time the Home Office proposed using the base to house asylum seekers, the villagers were very upset about the proposal, citing various reasons as to why it wasn’t a practical location for hundreds of single men. I believe someone from the local constabulary also came and spoke to the villagers and tried to reassure them that there would be a police presence in the village because issues with drugs and prostitution often follow when large groups of men are housed together. The proposal was eventually rejected, but it seems to be back on the cards again.
Currently, the military accommodation will need a lot of money thrown at it to make the mess rooms habitable as it’s been left to go to ruin since it was abandoned years ago.
Most of the married quarters have either been sold or rented out, so they aren’t an option either.

I’m not sure what the answer is as every option seems unpalatable to different groups of people.

A pleasant surprise to see the poll standing as it is. Good to see the pushback 👌

They have people chucking rocks and setting fires to the places they live. Would that make you want to integrate?

Read any thread on here about men to see just how women are treated by British men.

The problem is, this measure is a direct result of people kicking up a fuss about them being housed in hotels. Using ex-army bases means they’re unlikely to be mobbed in the same way the hotels were.

I dont blame you for being unhappy about this OP.

When you put it like that it is stark isn't it. I still think it'd put a pressure on services--but it would feel completely different .

Believe me if I could send homegrown rapist and murders as cannon fodder or sand bags for the Russia Ukraine war I would happily send them there.

"what about British men" - we have our own horrible men. Let's not import more.

Have they been moved out of some hotels or this extra men who have arrived? Has it been reported that any hotel is now back open to the public or stopping the accommodation package? Or is it another route to fool the public on numbers.

So a concentration camp?

Well yes, I do have some sympathy OP. Much more sympathy than I did for the arseholes round my way (London suburbs) who have been threatening all sorts in response to unfounded rumours about a planned local centre. It seems to me that larger communities have the resources to offer and that underoccupied hotels are an excellent way of providing temporary housing.