White working class children

[NotAnotherScarf]

The bbc has a report about a review of the academic system failing white working class children. The bulk of the population.

It's brilliant that this has been looked at but the recommendations are appalling.

Basically its saying that wcc's are only fit for manual jobs. That schools should push towards offering for vocational courses.

That's where my education went 40 years ago. One child from my year group of 242 went to university at 18. We had at most 6 kids from non white backgrounds. Many went subsequently. I have always maintained the school saw us as shop assistants, factory hands and dockers.

The other recommendations will help children of all races...free travel under 22. Promoting reading etc.

One of the reasons why kids from other backgrounds are doing better has been the push to get them into university...ie black boys being actively recruited and bursarys being given solely to them. Places sponsored etc etc.

Whilst I welcome the move to vocational training. And for many people thats a brilliant move, ts disappointing that the report thinks that that's the main option for wcc's. Basically its says "we don't think your good enough for anything else " .

BBC News - White working-class children 'failed by schools system' - BBC News
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq51j10q601o

I feel uneasy about using the rape gang instance to make points. The women and girls affected have suffered immensely and using them in that way feels like further exploitation and degradation. After all, Mr Farage and Mr Robinson (YL) don't talk about them in order to expose deep misogyny in our society do they? It's always to make their (bogus) points about brown and black men being violent and sexually rapacious.

But since you did, the driving factor in the cases wasn't that the women and girls were white. It wasn't that they were being systemically abused because they were white. Certainly bias and prejudice came into it - who would deny that? The whole appalling thing wasn't based on racism though.

Cultural essentialism.

Thought you were gone because you found me unintelligible?

Good to see your braincells are firing up a bit more, keep trucking, you still have a long way to go.

As for giving you a big head, I don't think you need anyone or anything to feel innately superior to us lowlies, you are already way up there on your own.

So if a black person calls a white person a white cunt - you don't think that's racism? Yet if it's the other way round, it most certainly is racism and, in accordance with the law.

I said that you aren't articulate, not unintelligible. I can understand what you're saying. I just don't think you express it very well.

Yes I think it's racial prejudice, not racism.

No- why is calling someone a white cunt racist? What insult does being white convey?

Sorry but it seems as an Indian woman you are not allowed to disagree with the concept of systemic racism or to state your own personal experiences.

If white liberal women say that systemic racism exists or that you are a victim of racism regardless of your own personal experiences, then it must be true.

Disingenuous. Sociopathic. Toxic.

White people are known for being disingenuous sociopathic and toxic? First I’ve heard of it.

Some of this is true I think, and some isn’t.

I think it overlooks the fact that many people of colour in the UK came from families that weren’t working class in their country of origin. So they often aren’t, for example, many generations deep in unskilled jobs or no jobs at all.

So you're saying calling somebody a black cunt also isn't racist then. The Public Order Act covers racial aggravation. Nowhere have I seen it mentioned that race only pertains to ethnic minorities.

On that logic what insult does being black convey?

What is much more concerning is why you think being called black is an Insult?

Sorry for the derail but is it normal to know what uni is at 8? I’m only in my 20s so not like uni wasn’t a common thing when I was young but I had no idea about it at 8.

Only because I was speaking to someone the other day about this and I’m pretty sure I didn’t know what uni was until I was in my second year of college and everyone started talking about it.

I don’t think middle class kids can do these summer internships any more. So your daughter’s background will have helped her gain the internship, not held her back, I think?

https://www.civil-service-careers.gov.uk/fast-stream/fs-summer-internship-programme/

you must be from a lower socio-economic background, as part of our commitment to improving access and opportunities for underrepresented groups.

Excuse me, I think you are (a) making assumptions and (b) not trying to understand deeper concepts than just "work hard, do well".

Because it is. Obviously words have different meanings when used as part of an insult.

would you really argue that calling a South Asian the P word is fine? It’s used as an insult, what’s the difference?

No it's not.

Specifically in the UK what can a white person do that a black person cannot.

The belief of systemic racism is an evil and vile viewpoint that has no place in modern society- it destroys hope and ambition amongst ethnic minorities particularly young black boys, keeping them down as "victims " rather trying to improve their lives.

If you are diminishing a person's value based on their race, you are being racist. Why not just call aforementioned white person a cunt? The law disagrees with you and fortunately regurgitated social theories aren't relevant, in practice.

👏 always advocated by the left. Kemi Badenoch is feeling it at present.

me too and very personally. Its called "crab bucket"* Its not new.
My lovely Mil, who told me this story "married out of her class" (he was a draughtsman, she didn't have any training because "women should stay home and have babies" but it was kind of ok because she was "only a girl" They had 2 sons and both parents wanted them to do well. They both passed 11+ and went to the local grammar and that wasn't thought right or "normal" by the family. Younger son, my late husband, wanted to go to sea and got an apprenticeship place at a Merchant Navy officer training school. This was Definitely Bad. It would have been ok to train as an AB (seaman) but being an officer was "not for the likes of us" and "getting above himself" I did meet my Mil's family at my wedding, Fil died in an accident before I could meet him,
End of story, My Mil met a lovely man and remarried. He was a pub landlord in Somerset. her family cut her off completely for marrying out of her class twice!

*apparently you don't need a lid to keep crabs in a bucket. If one tries to climb out, all the others will pull him back in again.

I am sure someone will correct me but my understanding is that the key to determine whether it is racist is whether that race has suffered systematic and ongoing oppression or freedom, rights and privileges. I don’t think “white” people have as a race and hence not racism to call them a “white [insert chose word]”.
A Hindu person referring to Muslim with religious hate and vice versus, same with Jews would be a form of racism/religious hatred.

Of course, the way I say things is a lot more important than what I say.
Of course, it's fine for "progressives" to attack people on their lack of communications skills or writing style, education levels.

You are truly a gift that keeps on giving... pls do keep posting, I don't think I will engage further, you probably have even worse peasants to go chastise from your high horse, but I really think you are doing a great job.

You can't seriously expect me to debate with someone whose opening gambit is "no it's not" in response to the statement that racism is systemic?

Come off it.

What law are you referring to?