To think carers should be jailed

[InBedBy10]

That man who threw that poor child into the alligator enclosure is said to be severely mentally disabled. He was out with 2 carers who clearly weren't watching him when this happened. Witnesses have said they were on their phones. AIBU to say they should be charged for this incident?

To be honest this is not the first time i have heard about carers being totally negligent and getting away with it. Instead the care company they worked for was sued. Which will probably happen here. But i think its totally wrong that the people directly responsible can walk off into the sunset with no repercussions. There needs to be more liability put on people in this position.

Ugh! Get off the internet OP! You haven’t the first clue what happened there. That little boy has gone through something awful, and you’re using it for your own entertainment. Disgraceful.

We don't know what happened and it's pointless to speculate.

Stop being abusive. No one has said anything racist.

Making yourself look even more thick and reactive there. Nice.

For a mistake or a moment of inattention I agree with you, and that’s probably one of the reasons why he has 2 carers as they are human and he obviously needs constant supervision. But if the carers were on their phones for personal use then I do think there needs to be severe consequences as that is not ok in a job like that. Not saying that’s what definitely happened as we don’t know facts yet.

You’ve shown your true colours already on this thread by being a nasty abusive person. Shut up about topics you know nothing about and stop blaming an already struggling and marginalised group (carers). No one cares how it is in your country when that isn’t relevant.

You’re being unreasonable to speculate ahead of an investigation.

Totally unreasonable until the facts are established. Creating a hostile environment for carers will only make the care crisis so much worse

Yes, I'm so sick of the on their phones narrative. Most life admin has to be done on your phone these days.

Before I became a SAHM, I often had to be on my phone at work to get in contact with managers, use authenticator apps etc. But to those who dont know any better I was just sitting on my phone at work.

Hi everyone.

Just dropping in to remind everyone that the full facts have not yet been established, and speculation can easily lead to inaccurate conclusions. Focus on the information that has been confirmed by reliable sources.

Thank you.
MNHQ 💐

YABVU

I have seen many children and young adults having meltdowns and throwing stuff around the shops and most of the parents do their best to restrain them but sometimes they’re just not quick enough.

I used to work with a boy who was 6’4” and huge.
99% of the time he was calm and lovely but when he went into a meltdown it was scary. His dad would put him in a headlock and his mum would handcuff his hands and feet - not the best option but they were older and this was the only way they could cope.
They both had multiple injuries from him.

If they were on their phone, then there would have been no indication he was playing up.

It was either completely out of the blue or they tried to stop him and he overpowered them - either way they shouldn’t be jailed.

Its the same as saying the parents should be jailed for not keeping their child safe.

There is only so much you can do.

Jailed? No. The prisons are bursting at the seams already. Punished, and banned from working in care? Yes, if they are shown to be have been genuinely negligent. The courts will decide.

Most of the responses will come from people in the UK with experience/knowledge of the care system here. It’s great that you live and work in a country where care givers are appropriately trained and remunerated. I’m not sure it’s the same in the UK, judging by the comments and bluntly my own limited experience.

They should certainly be investigated.

…and a principle in law you can’t be responsible for the criminal acts of others except in very narrow circumstances…imagine if this was extended to parents

Im shocked at the amount of people basically saying well carers are paid badly so its ok if they are useless and negligent. If this is what its really like then you should be fighting for better. The reality is most of us will need care in our elderly years. And this is the level of care you are happy to have?

I can also see ive touched a nerve with alot of carers on this thread. If you do your job to the best of your ability there's no need to take this post so personally. Im not talking about you.

My DD is a manager of residential houses for people who have complex diagnoses, including LD/MH. The carers aren't particularly low paid and they are well trained. This is a dangerous rhetoric, as well as there being a recruitment issue. That doesn't apply across the UK and in some areas, carers can't get enough hours.
If you, or people you know, know of care companies not carrying out adequate training etc, report them. NVQs etc are looked down upon here, but a different set of skills is needed for care, so then competencies need to be assessed.

Both shouldn't have been on their phone, if that is the case, but we do need to wait. Perhaps the toddler was being noisy around the man and he just impulsively had to stop the noise. Just before this happened I was speaking to a male carer who was saying that they were getting criticised for going to the likes of the Trafford Center, but there's less places to go, than there used to be. Smaller shopping centers/local cafes etc are closing. A yearly pass to a animal attraction is ideal.

No one said that because people are poorly paid it's fine for them to be negligent. You've been reminded that the full facts aren't available yet.

I am always sadly astounded by how people are willing to form opinions on something they know nothing about.

This thread alone is in my view a reason why a trial by jury isn’t appropriate. Some people are so uneducated and unable to apply any sort of critical thinking that the thought of them being on a jury is horrifying.

Maybe you should wait until the full details of the incident are released before deciding to blame and shame the carers and demanding for them to be jailed.

But you have no idea what actually happened! Were you there? No. Are you speculating? Yes.

Bit off topic but I’ve seen childminders at a soft play just sitting chatting when their charges are scrapping, crying or needing attention, at school children who supposedly have a one to one still manage to beat my daughter up to the point of needing medical treatment… (I sued) I can imagine it’s a really hard job being a carer but you’re paid to do a job.

Why not just wait for the investigation, threads like this aren't helping anybody. What were you hoping to gain out of it?

You weren't a witness. You don't know what happened.
Why don't you leave it to the investigation?

We don't do mob rule here.

You have no idea if they were useless or negligent. You are just making up details and blame based on basically nothing, and for what? To be horrible for the sake of it?