AIBU to think a man accused of throwing a child into a crocodile enclosure should not get bail?

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Aibu to think the man who threw an unknown 3 year old into a crocodile enclosure shouldn't be out on bail?

If anyone could provide any insight into the reasoning behind why was granted bail I would be very interested to hear it.

AIBU: He's a danger to society
AINBU: Innocent until proven guilty

It's always easy to be wise after the event, but that looks very much to me as though it was designed to keep crocodiles in but gave little thought to keeping people out.

I suspect you think he should be locked up indefinitely and the key thrown away.

The OP seems to be saying the person who did it shouldn’t have got bail as opposed to being remanded in custody. But obviously in this case the man hasn’t just been left free to roam the streets, they would have been sent to a suitable secure facility. Normal custody would not be suitable for them or for the prison wardens. We won’t know the full facts of the case until it gets to court so there’s no point speculating.

My feel is that an unsecured crocodile enclosure (or any unsecured enclosure containing dangerous animals) is not a suitable place for anybody really.

You've got random unforseeable events as may be the case here. We are yet to find out, or may never find out.

You've got jobsworth people who litter into animal enclosures putting animals at risk. Our closest sealife centre for example has had to put netting over the open top of it's big sea enclosure because of both children and adults dropping crisp packets and other food items into the enclosure, as well as people dropping phones in when trying to snap a photo. This puts the animals within the enclosure at risk.

You've got silly idiots who think they know better and jump into animal enclosures and have to be escorted out.

I'm not even going to discuss the morals of keeping animals like this in captivity if they're not a rehabilitation or conservation establishment, but I do think that if a zoo is going to keep animals, they have as much of a duty to protect the animals from people as they do people from animals.

Adults with learning disabilities also deserve to be in public. They deserve a thorough and proper risk assessment and shouldn't be seen as an inconvenience to budgets which further creates higher risk of outings. They deserve attention and as much autonomy as can safely be provided and in line with their development, as well as opportunities to develop at their own pace which does involve being allowed out in public.

Same. Although my DM is unusually funny about open lid enclosure type things iyswim. Doesn't like open aquarium tanks in case kids put their fingers in and get bitten. So I possibly notice things like that more than the average.

There are 1000’s of men in prisons across Europe who should be in a secure mental health facility, with the added issues of overcrowding I am surprised the number of prison deaths aren’t higher, it’s very unfair on the individual suffering and fellow prisoners and staff. There has been some awful Incidents in prisons, hat’s off to the prison officers who have to contain this every day, they put up with a lot of shit, literally in these unstable situations.
Prison is definitely not the place for this man.

Best you house him then

Some people do house LD adults who have erratic and challenging behaviour.

What a ridiculous comment.

Yep, Shared Lives.
Or they are their own relatives.

So you don’t think he should be locked up indefinitely? Why not?

Surely if he lacks the capacity to know what he has done or whether it is right or wrong (as posters are claiming) then how can anyone make a sound judgement that another incident will not take place?

I'm sorry but I am not concerned about the "rights" and general wellbeing of a man who threw a small child into a pit of crocodiles. Stick him in prison. The carers should go to prison too. It is not just "one of those things" that "no-one could have predicted". It is attempted murder of a child.

Do you think it would be prudent to actually find out what happened first? Rather than what the media are saying? I mean it’s not like they’ve ever got it wrong is it?

Stirring the pot as usual.

Anyway at least there is a bit of good news. I just read that the little boy injured is now off the critical list.

Oh that's wonderful ❤

We don’t actually know at all what happened or who may be culpable for what.

But for argument’s sake let’s imagine the culprit was another toddler. Would you still be baying for them to go through the normal interview/remand/prison process?

Surely you can see that would be completely insane, impractical and inhumane. Or would you have a three-year-old sitting in the dock, being shown peppa pig videos to keep them quiet during the proceedings? Prison guards changing nappies?

If you can see why that is a very silly idea, then perhaps you can extend some of that understanding to this situation.

Wonderful to read indeed.

We know your like a broken record and keep repeating yourself
However it doesnt matrer whst you think you dont get to make any important decisions.

Well thats good news.

Where do you think he should be locked up? Secure accommodation? That almost certainly is very much along the lines of what’s going to happen. What gives you the idea that it’s not?

Well that will be up to the professionsls that assess him and do the risk assessmrnts.

Yes let's stick everyone in prison who is involved in anyone else's death or injury. By that logic if you have a heart attack at the wheel of a car and kill a child, you should go to prison for attempted murder. Your rights and well-being will be of no concern because you attempted to murder them.

So we stick people with mental health issues in prison? And people who may have been trying to prevent this - we don't - as numerous people have stated - know the full story and should withhold judgement until we do.

Let's be completely honest, you just want someone's head on a platter for this.

That would be an accident.

You can't pick up a child and throw them into an alligator pit "accidentally".

You would never be able to predict when this is going to happen. People can be ‘incident free’ for years and then do something out of the blue. It’s unfortunately part of life. And free will.